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Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:31 pm

Can't say much more than that. It's official though.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:51 pm

Here's all I could find, using Google's news service:

http://www.forbes.com/business/manufacturing/newswire/2004/04/30/rtr1354682.html

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:18 pm

Good good, i knew this little blighter would sell ok eventually. Im predicting 150 at least in the next 7 years including the 78 already ordered
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:42 pm

So, anyone know how much A318s has been delivered yet? And how much are still ordered?

Also, were other airlines placing an order yet? I know

Frontier
Air France

and now, Tarom...

any others?

regards, Florian
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:48 pm

Mexicana is expecting its first A318 in November...
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:59 pm

There are 83 A318s on order, of which nine have been delivered:

5 Frontier (4 delivered)
15 Air France (5 delivered)
15 America West
15 ILFC
28 GECAS
4 Tarom
1 CIT
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:01 pm

Lemme ask....isnt the A318 heavier in empty zero weight than the A319?? Ive heard this from a HP A&P mechanic about it and why HP cancelled the A318 orders.... any info on that??
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:24 pm

I think the essential terms 'functioning market economy' may well explain this order Big grin
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 12:36 am

Frontier has two more on order - leased from GECAS. Here is the 6th:


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Sean Menke, of Frontier, talked about the aircraft in Airways Magazine a couple of months ago.

I won't link it because it's subscription and some people get cross. Here is a summary of what he said:

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7082112&tid=frnt&sid=7082112&mid=16364

So it wouldn't surprise me to see them order a few more.

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 2:03 am

Here is the full press release from the Airbus website:

http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/press_releases.asp#1483

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 3:28 am

What the official Airbus press release forgot to mention is that Tarom doesn't quite have the necessary cash in hand for the purchase!

As a result, delivery of the four A318 has been postponed to the end of 2006 (2) and end of 2007 (2) and will cost Tarom an additional US $ 10 Mil (penalties) on top of the US $ 219 Mil approved by Romanian Government for this particular order.

Initially, the A318 order delivery was scheduled to take place this fall/winter(2) and 2005 (2).




 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 3:33 am

What the official Airbus press release forgot to mention is that Tarom doesn't quite have the necessary cash in hand for the purchase!

As a result, delivery of the four A318 has been postponed to the end of 2006 (2) and end of 2007 (2) and will cost Tarom an additional US $ 10 Mil (penalties) on top of the US $ 219 Mil approved by Romanian Government for this particular order


Yes that is good business, publicly humiliate one of your customers in front of the world, good idea.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 3:40 am

I agree with ya, Roberta  Big thumbs up

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 4:20 am

Um - how is sticking to a contract humilating a customer?

There's a lot of other places Tarom can go for aircraft. There's a few Russian 100 seaters they'd get for a good price.

So - silly old me - I assume there's something in the Airbus deal for Tarom.

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 4:47 am

. . . bad business-practice to slap your client with US $ 10 Mil penalties

Buyers be aware !

 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 4:54 am

". . . bad business-practice to slap your client with US $ 10 Mil penalties
"

No, Airbus is in the right here. TAROM shouldn't be buying things it can't afford; seems straightforward enough!
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:06 am

I had a question (and I really do not mean to start a B-A war).

and will cost Tarom an additional US $ 10 Mil (penalties) on top of the US $ 219 Mil approved by Romanian Government for this particular order.

Why is Tarom paying US$55 or so per A318? Don't they already have 737NGs?
According to the Boeing WWW site, price range of the 737-600 is $41.0 - $49.0
and of the 717-200 is $35.5 - $39.5. I assume the Embraer 190s-195s are even
cheaper. Surely, since they do not have money, a cheaper option might have been
more appropriate?

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:17 am

Do we already know to whom the IFLC and GECAS baby busses will be leased?
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:34 am

Does not look like they are paying that much for the plane ($38 Million).

Even airliners.net list the plane at extimated $36 Million ($36 Million).

Right now the 737-700 is selling great and the A318 is selling really poorly. I bet that Tarom made a good deal with this plane, and I also doubt they got slapped with a penalty, especially if they order it with the P&Ws (engine deal is yet to be announced).

I think Frontier would like the plane to cost 30 Million or less, but they still like the plane for doing everything the 737-200 did just better. I am not trying to compare the 737-200 to the A318, what I mean is for Frontier's needs, which was a single aisle plane that has about 110 seats, it does the trick to their satisfaction.

This is not a A vs. B posting, just posting facts. I personally like both the A318 and the 737-600. I also like the E170 - 190 and the 717. The only plane I really don't care for in this market is the CRJ 700 and CRJ 900 because I think they are too small for the amount of people they carry.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:47 am

Flamant15,

Thanks for the very informative and fact-based reply (a rarity in this forum!  Big thumbs up).

I'm not a huge fan of the CRJs either...

Regards,

Tony
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:47 am

you cannot compare the 73G to the A318, the A319 is the 73G's equivalent size. The A318 is the 736's rival and is getting more orders at the minute and more apprasal.



Ignore the competition (as its probably bull) and just focus on the Airbus aircraft and you can see that the A318 saves around 8% a flight compared to an A319. so it is worthwile having the A318 if you cannot fill an A319.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:51 am

The A318 order is actually an alteration of an attached 1992 contractual option by Tarom on replacing three A310 (acquired by the airline at the time) with other wide-body jets by 2004. Tarom would have been lost some money (not sure how much) had they not ordered other Airbus aircraft instead.

Tarom still have an ongoing contract for four B737-800 which just might be converted to something else due to airline's new strategy to become a regional carrier.



 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 5:55 am

Roberta,

you cannot compare the 73G to the A318, the A319 is the 73G's equivalent size.

Am I missing something? I assume that '737NGs' refers to all the the
latest 737 series: -600, -700, -800, and -900. I understand Tarom
already have 737-700s. The A318 might be more efficienct than the
A319, however is it worth buying only 4 planes of a type you don't
have commonality to? That was the point that I was triying to make...

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 6:06 am

73G = 737-700

like 736 = 737-600 and744 = 747-400 ect

you cannot write 737 as the 737-100 was designated that code

so

736=737-600
73G=737-700
738=737-800
739=737-900

Clearly TAROM's order is part of a previous deal with Airbus .I guess that as the A318 is the only A/C which is suitable for TAROM and outperforms its 737NG equivalent, it makes sense to order the A318 rather than face a larger penalty.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 01, 2004 9:36 pm

Let's also not forget that, in this instance, it was also a political order. Before I get harped on, I'm not saying it was only a political order, or that Airbus only receives orders because of politics. I in no way intend to imply that. However, in this instance, politics did play a large role.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040430/transport_airbus_romania_2.html

"The contract signed today between Tarom and Airbus shows the desire by Romania to take part in European programmes," Nastase said after the signing of the deal.

He said the contract would be followed by other cooperation efforts between Romania and France in the aerospace arena. Romania is on track to join the European Union in 2007.
"

Regards,

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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Thu May 06, 2004 8:17 pm

Let's also not forget that, in this instance, it was also a political order

To a large extent it is.The EU is soon to judge whether Romania has a 'functioning market economy' and I'm sure an order for Airbus aircraft won't hurt in somehow showing that.Such is the way of the world.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 15, 2004 11:40 pm

I think the A318 order for Tarom is more to do with politics than anything else. Currently the Tarom fleet consists of 15 aircraft:

6 Boeing 737-300
2 Boeing 737-700
7 ATR-42

As there is a great commonality between the 733 and 73G, the current fleet is simple and feasible. From my perspective, in the long run, Tarom should operate two general aircraft models, the Boeing 737-700 and one or two variations offered by Embraer. This way the airline could fly Embraer aircraft to tradionally thin European routes, and the 737s elsewhere.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sat May 15, 2004 11:56 pm

I don't know if this has already been answered, but are Air France and Frontier the only ones to have taken delivery of the 318 to date? And does anyone know about America West getting them. Their web-site says that they will, but not for a few years. Thanks for the info in advance.
 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sun May 16, 2004 7:32 am

Actually Tarom has 5 B737-300 and 4 B737-700 !

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It did shrunk a lot from the time they used to wet lease ROMBAC 1-11 500/400 aircraft to Ryanair, Lauda, etc.

Accordingly to its management taping into small markets is not one of Tarom's priority at the moment. They still haven't figure-out what to do about the Romanian domestic market where 17 airports are all screaming for air-traffic! Tarom is currently flying domestically to only 7 of them !

Most likely the A318 will be used to consolidate some of its existing Middle-East and West-European routes, while offering additional flexibility on its schedulled connections.





 
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RE: Tarom Signs For A318s At Last

Sun May 16, 2004 10:42 am

Backfire posted:

"There are 83 A318s on order, of which nine have been delivered:
5 Frontier (4 delivered)"

We just received our sixth A318. We are expecting delivery of one more I believe sometime next year. Our CEO hinted at us operating more A318s by saying we will continue to be an A318 and A319 operator. I hope this means we'll order more "baby buses."  Smile

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