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AF And RR Engines...

Sat May 01, 2004 5:16 am

There is a thread about the first delivery of 773ER to AF and a point came up that I got a little curious about. What's the problem with AF and RR engines? From what I understand from the thread mentioned above - the flat out don't like them and base their ac purchase decisions in no small way on that fact. So what's the story...? Thanks in advance for feeding my curiousity...!
 
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RE: AF And RR Engines...

Sat May 01, 2004 5:22 am

AF doesnt have anything against RR nor its engines (um, remember a lil' thing called Concorde?  Big grin)


The deal is, AF is warm to any engine-maker who partners with SNECMA.

Nowadays, 99% of the time (in terms of mainline aircraft engines) that means General Electric. Which is why AF sticks with GE, to the exclusion of RR and PW.




PS. Concorde's Olympus593's were a RR/SNECMA partnership, incase anyone wondered  Big grin

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RE: AF And RR Engines...

Sun May 02, 2004 8:43 pm

Air france operated several engines type in the past :

The Caravelle had RR Avon engines, and later PW JT8D


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AF's B727 and B732 were also equiped with PW engines.


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AF has nothing against RR engines. GE/SNECMA engines are also excellent, and AF simply made the choice, for costs saving, to ratonalize also its engines types around the GE engines. As simple as that.
 
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RE: AF And RR Engines...

Sun May 02, 2004 8:45 pm

I thought the GE90's on the 777 had a few problems with bearings. I remember BA bought a heap and then switched to Trents for their next batch of 777's Has that been fixed now?
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: AF And RR Engines...

Mon May 03, 2004 7:30 am

I thought the GE90's on the 777 had a few problems with bearings. I remember BA bought a heap and then switched to Trents for their next batch of 777's Has that been fixed now?

The very first batch of GE90s had teething problems (as does just about any new engine) which included shavings/grindings etc.

But that has long since been sorted out. The GE90 wouldn't today be the highest selling 777 engine were it not.



Also, as has been explained ten thousand & one times here before--- BA switched to Trent895s for two primary reasons:

1) They had an outstanding order to Rolls for RB211s that they didnt want to default on
2) GE, at that point, was not yet ready to commit to a GE90 of over 90,000lbs
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