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Sun May 02, 2004 6:35 pm

Had a bit of an argument at work the other day with someone who insisted that United and US Airways were the same airline (not codeshare or Star Alliance, but one and the same) and here was her reason for why she just knew they were the same company:

the "US" in "US Airways" stands for "United States", [even though all of us here know the name of the airline is NOT "United States Airways"!] and "United" is just the abbreviation, like saying "American" instead of "American Airlines" or "Coke" instead of "Coca-Cola".

My hysterical laughter just made her even more convinced that she was right!
 
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Sun May 02, 2004 8:57 pm

I know someone who think Northwest Airlines flies domestically and its subsidiary, Northwest Orient, flies only to Asia... Big grin
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Sun May 02, 2004 9:00 pm

Air China and China Airlines - I always mix it up Embarrassment
 
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Sun May 02, 2004 9:19 pm

A big one in South Africa is between BA and BAComair South Africa LOL  Laugh out loud

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Sun May 02, 2004 9:42 pm

One of the biggest cock ups is the southern hemisphere airline QANTAS and how it is spelt (not QUANTAS) it stands for Queensland And Northern Territery Aerial Services.

It disturbs me considering how much "the name" is out there yet continually often it is mispelt. I think it is mispelt more ofter than is Qatar Airways.

 
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Sun May 02, 2004 11:34 pm

It disturbs me considering how much "the name" is out there yet continually often it is mispelt. I think it is mispelt more ofter than is Qatar Airways.


First law of being a smart-arse - don't make yourself look stupid in the process.

The word is "misspelt" or "misspelled". And while we're on the subject, the word "territory" is not spelled with a second 'e'. Nor do I think your use of "continually often" would win any major prizes for grammar.

'Qantas' isn't in my dictionary. What's your excuse?

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Sun May 02, 2004 11:36 pm

Some people I talk to, my mom included, have the tendency to get ATA & AirTran mixed up.

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Sun May 02, 2004 11:43 pm

I was just going to mention the AirTran//ATA mix ups but DeltaRules (cool Handle!) beat me to it

on that end, ATA and AirTran have ajoining gates at LGA. I noticed this the other day commuting back out to MCI...how much of a headache is THAT every time a flight is called at that end of the terminal?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Sun May 02, 2004 11:45 pm

I read a post here where someone got Southwest and America West mixed up.

I took a call from someone while I was working at Vanguard Reservations who asked if we were the same as ValueJet. Obviously, we weren't.
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Mon May 03, 2004 12:09 am

The US/United argument may be alluded to the fact that alot of the older generations still use acronyms in place of actual names (TWA comes to mind). There is obviously some sort of marketing error on behalf of the airlines for the confusion to occur.

Some also pointed out the ATA/AirTran confusion. Try adding Air Transat to the mix, and there are sure to be headaches (especially at TPA and PIE).
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 12:09 am

I don't know if this is considered a "mix-up" to you, but to me it's more of a flat out lie.

This kid was telling me about how when he went to San Francisco recently, he flew US Airways out of SYR. He claimed that they stopped in Chicago, and continued on to SFO. I figured it was just a cordeshare type thing. He said his father has loads of UA miles, but he INSISTED he flew a US Airways jet all the way to SFO. Just like he said he flew a "big jet" non-stop in February from SYR to PBI. Well ain't that a kick in the pants. I think somebody's lying...
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 12:27 am

What gets me are people (particularly in the media) that still refer to US Airways as USAir. Why spend the money to rebrand when people still screw up your company's name?

On the AirTran/ATA/Air Transat confusion issue. On my recent trip to LAS on AirTran, the lead F/A made a point to mention that there has been confusion with the AirTran and Air Transat names, in which passengers that were booked on AirTran were being dropped off over @ Terminal 2, where Air Transat goes out of. He said if you're being dropped off by a taxi or shuttle bus make sure they know that you need to go to Terminal 1. I wonder if people get ATA and Air Transat confused @ LAS since they both go out of T-2.

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Mon May 03, 2004 12:33 am

So-called aviation enthusiasts not knowing Air China from China Airlines(Taiwan) and not even being able to identify their respective bases, is the most ridiuculos thing I have come across art this forum, one even thinks China Airlines(CI) is teh new look and name of Air China(CA) of China/PRC.
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Mon May 03, 2004 12:53 am

"What gets me are people (particularly in the media) that still refer to US Airways as USAir. Why spend the money to rebrand when people still screw up your company's name?"

Actually, what gets me worse is the jerks on here that get all huffy insisting that the entire world should know that USAir changed to US Airways. If you are going to spend the money to rebrand... then freakin' rebrand! Don't just respell. If you want people to think different, then make it different.

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Mon May 03, 2004 1:03 am

Slightly off topic, but sort of related to the USAir/US Airways thing - I've often wondered why Americans often refer to British Airways as "British Air" (and drop the "ways"). I've heard it said quite a few times, and even remember seeing a hand-written sign at PIT pointing the way to the "British Air" check-in.
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:04 am

Well I'm a huffy jerk who hates it when US Airways is spelt USAir. Honestly, its been US Airways since 1996. USAir does sound better, but US Airways is the name. Also, it has a space between US and Airways. Its not USAirways.

Also, American West instead of America West, is rather common common.

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Mon May 03, 2004 1:06 am

I hear people often calling America West "American West." I think it's fifty-fifty the people who think they are affiliated with AA. Of course, they're not.
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:10 am

Have had many occurences where people have called it "American West" instead of America West.

Also, I have had some instances where people will call US Airways, US Airlines. Needless to say, I corrected them withthin seconds. It just pisses me right off.
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:13 am

By that same token, people should all say "United Airlines" instead of just "United", "American Airlines" instead of just "American", etc. Get over it people...
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:19 am

Why should it upset you? It is the error of USAirways that failed to market the new name correctly. Customers (or anyone in general) will only acknowledge what has been exposed to them through the media and word of mouth. It is up to the airline (and some well-determined a.net people to correct those who have sinned by saying USAir) to manipulate it such that the customer will acknowledge correctly. The customer is not to blame here.
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:21 am

Continental Airlines (US) and Continental Airways (Russia). Continental Airways uses the same font as CO, and tries to draw customers based on the Continental name.

When is a conversation with someone I usualally refer to US Airways as USAir, It just rolls of the tounge better, But if I write it it is always US Airways.

What was wrong with the name USAir anyway?
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:21 am

One of the things I've seen on this website is the confusion of Alaska Airlines and "Alaskan" Airlines.

For me, I can never remember what nation EVA belongs to, adding to the Air China and China Airlines.

I also get some of the United Express companies mixed up, as some of them also fly for other major carriers, like ACA did.
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:23 am

Well, even though they are the same airline, I had to convince my Aunt that even though her ticket said Delta, the flight was by Song. I had to tear her over to the Song plane.
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:30 am

After flying from ASA's hub in Dulles to ATA's hub in Atlanta, I flew to ValueJet's hub in Indianapolis to catch a US Air flight to Los Angeles to fly QUantas. My alternative was to fly American West to Detroit and catch Northwest Orient to LAX and then to Taiwan on Air China and then take China Airlines to Peking for a warm welcome from the PRC Army. On the way home, I think I'll take BOAC to London and then fly to Southeast's hub at BWI.
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:44 am

I think USAir's rebranding came after several aircraft accidents over a fairly short period of time. USAir suffered five fatal accidents between 1989 and 1994. It was time to reinvent themselves and disassociate from the old image. It might just be one of many factors, and then again, it may have nothing to do with it at all.
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:45 am

One of the things I've seen on this website is the confusion of Alaska Airlines and "Alaskan" Airlines.

The same goes for many members here typing Malaysia Airlines as MalaysiaN Airlines or simply "Malaysian". As a rule of thumb, just follow Singapore Airlines - never have I seen it spelt as SingaporeAN Airlines. Yes we used to be known as MalaysiaN Airline System, but it has been nearly 20 years that we've changed it to Malaysia Airlines.

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Mon May 03, 2004 4:43 am

What gets me are people (particularly in the media) that still refer to US Airways as USAir. Why spend the money to rebrand when people still screw up your company's name?

You also have to remember, that people are USED to the old name and, if we're used to calling something by its old name we tend to continue to do so. Consider the threads where people swear they'll never refer to IAH, DCA, or EWR as "George Bush Intercontinental," "Reagan International," or "Newark Liberty." Consider how many people you hear refer to "Yugoslavia," "Zaire," or "Czechoslovakia," none of which exist anymore. You could just as easily get aggravated that the airports were renamed for a reason and thus must be referred to by their new names. It takes time for a name to disseminate and that time is often measured in decades, not just a few years. After all, I still hear people refer to JFK as "Idlewild"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Mon May 03, 2004 5:49 am

I hear Alitalia called as "Air Italia" or "Alitaliair" all the time.
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 5:55 am

I was at JFK a few months ago and there was an Austrian Airlines flight taking off, and a member of the staff said it was Australian Airlines.
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 6:02 am

Many people mess up AI (Air India - mainly international) and IC (Indian Airlines - mainly domesticas), both government owned with autonomous tasks and boards...
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Mon May 03, 2004 6:14 am

"Austrian Airlines flight taking off, and a member of the staff said it was Australian Airlines."

Heck, half the population of the US probably don't know those are two different countries.
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Mon May 03, 2004 6:15 am

If US Airways was so concerned with rebranding themselves, why would they go with something so close? Why not go with something like CattleCar Air. Oh wait, that's the nickname for that company in the Southwest.  Big grin
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 7:39 am

Wow, you guys have reminded me of what happened a few days ago...

The other day one of my co-workers got a quick phone call from his travel agent, "Hey, XXXXX. You know what? Sadly, I cannot find the actual airfare for your requested flight from Sydney to Beijing with China Airlines? So, shall I book you with another carrier? What about Air China? Their business class fare was pretty alright."

"Yep, sure. I would be amazed if you could ever find an airfare with China Airlines from Sydney to Beijing." my colleague simply spited the coffee everywhere and then laughed non-stop for at least 5 minutes...

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Mon May 03, 2004 8:35 am

Rebranding is a waste of time.....US is still USAir to everybody I talk to in my aviation circle of friends. The part "airlines" always seems to get dropped as well...i.e. 'Singapore" "Alaska" "United".... and of course my posting wouldnt be complete without something about NW... theres a core group confused STILL.. no such thing as NORTHWESTERN
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Mon May 03, 2004 8:37 am

My teacher always mixes up ATA and TWA.....

hah and people call her the "teacher"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Mon May 03, 2004 8:38 am

It can be fun at BHX when you've got MyTravelLite (VZ) and a MyTravel (MYT) departures to the same destination within half an hour of each other...
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 8:48 am

If you talk to REALLY OLD people they often put a "The" in front of the airline name. For example,

"We took THE American there"
"We flew on THE Braniff"

I figured that this was a hold over from the days where people used to take trains and back before Amtrak there were many different train companies as there are airlines today and they each touted their great passenger services. People used to say:

"We took the Burlington Northern"
"We took the Milwaukee Road"

It just doesn't sound right when used with airline names.......
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Mon May 03, 2004 9:59 am

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I also hate when people say that Horizon Air is owned by Alaska Airlines when in fact both are owned by Alaska Air Group, Inc. (making them sister companies, rather than big brother, little brother).

I used to get AirTran and ATA mixed up, but that was because i was used to hearing ATA's callsign "AmTran".

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Mon May 03, 2004 2:32 pm

" but that was because i was used to hearing ATA's callsign "AmTran".

Have to agree there... I'm used to the ATC terms (and abbreviations) which is why I still confuse people by pointing out the "cactus" on the tarmac. I get some funny looks until I change it to America West.
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Mon May 03, 2004 8:31 pm

When I was a CSA for AS, Ive had one lady pax who asked me this:

Lady: "Excuse me, Im looking for Alaskan Airlines. I see that you work for Alaska, but where is Alaskan Airlines??"

Me: "There is no Alaskan Airlines"

Lady: "You mean Alaskan doesnt fly from Seattle?!?" (looking worried)

Me: "Let me see your ticket.....(Pause)...ahh you are with us, Alaska! There is no Alaskan Airlines, Ma'am!"

Lady: "No, Im on Alaskan, not Alaska, my ticket says so!!"

Me: "Tell ya what, let me check you in and you'll be on your way so that Alaskan doesnt have to do it for you..."

Still...she thought I didnt know what the hell I was talking about. After I checked her in she told me in a "I told you so.." type remark that Alaskan does, in fact, really exist. This is one annoying thing I hated about pax...seems they never actually READ their tickets. Some peoples kids!!! LOL!!!!  Yeah sure

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Mon May 03, 2004 8:51 pm

The customer is always right, no matter how wrong. That wasn't very nice AirframeAS  Big grin


Being from Sweden, it amazes me how many of these conversations I've had:
"Where are you from?"
"Sweden"
"Oh, Switzerland, with the Alps right?"
Eeeeh.......
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Mon May 03, 2004 8:58 pm

Starlionblue,

That is the same with some people thinking Denmark is the capital of Sweden. Some people are just really good at geography.
And the funny thing it's mostly the americans who say those things Big grin
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 8:58 pm

LOL! I know, Starlin....I just wanted to get rid of that pax, there was basically no point getting into an arugment with her about what exists and what doesn't exist. But I just went with it anyway. It wasnt very nice, agreed, but I just wanted to get that pax away from me before I blew.....LOL  Big thumbs up
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Mon May 03, 2004 9:08 pm

One that gives me the S**ts is Air Italia instead of Alitalia

Olympic Airlines - Olympia Airways

Or UTA - French Airlines - Pronounced Yuta instead of UTA.

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Mon May 03, 2004 9:16 pm

That is the same with some people thinking Denmark is the capital of Sweden.

Only 500 years or so off  Big grin But back then the Swedish capital was Copenhagen of course...


Lots of Swedes think SAS is 100% Swedish. Pah!
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Mon May 03, 2004 10:56 pm



Aussie747

I'm no aviation expert but I could have sworn the QANTAS acronym stood for: Queensland and Northern Territorial Airlines System. Can anyone confirm or disprove this???

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Garnetpalmetto

Just a minor correction ... DCA isn't a true "international" airport ... hence the name Ronald Reagan-Washington "National" Airport.

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Also, did TWA used to be called Trans World Airways??? Because I know when I would see the full name it would be Trans World Airlines instead of the "airways". I know at one point TWA stood for Transcontinental and Western Air.


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Mon May 03, 2004 11:07 pm

EVA of taiwan and evergreen international (US based freighter outfit) come to mind as well
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 11:15 pm

SonicKidatBWI

If you're unsure about what QANTAS stands for, check out the 'history' section on qantas.com.au - quote, "The company takes its name from the initial letters in the words in the original registered title - Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services Limited.".
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Mon May 03, 2004 11:18 pm

SonicKidatBWI, regarding QANTAS, this is a quote from their website:
Qantas was founded in the Queensland outback in 1920. Registered originally as the Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services Limited (QANTAS), we have built a reputation for excellence in safety, operational reliability, engineering and maintenance, and customer service.


Someone already mentioned it - Austria and Australia... a source of constant confusion: when I lived in the US, I was constantly asked, how many Kangaroos I've seen jumping through my backyard... I often just got blank stares when I said that I've yet to see a single one near the place where I live... when I added that I live in Germany, most were even more surprised - "how does an Australian come to live in Germany?"...

And so, I too have heard questions like "Why does an airline from a country in the Alps have a Kangaroo on it's planes?" (not that it said QANTAS on the front of the plane, but they just saw "Australia" somewhere on the plane and that was it)... just as nice as, when I was transitting through Vienna once, someone asked me how come that airline from down under had so many planes stationed there... that time, I was the one with the blank stare... Big grin

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Mon May 03, 2004 11:25 pm

I keep hearing "Virgin Airlines". To which I answer: "Which one?"
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