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NW's Hub At NRT

Mon May 03, 2004 12:48 pm

How does NW consider NRT a hub, when they have a grand total of 21 departures per day from the airport?
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RE: NW's Hub At NRT

Mon May 03, 2004 12:58 pm

-- Maybe because $$$ for flights to/from Japan accounts for more than 25% of NW's total revenue?

-- NW is the second-largest carrier at NRT, with 24 departures on peak days of the week -- most of them operated with 350-450 passenger B747...

-- A hub is an operation that allows connecting opportunities...

Resort Flights:
Guam (B742)
Honolulu (2xB744, DC10)
Saipan (B742)

Transpacific Flights
Detroit (2xB744)
Los Angeles (B742)
Minneapolis/St. Paul (B744, second B744 on Sat.)
New York City (B744)
Portland (DC10)
San Francisco (DC10)
Seattle (B742)

...connection to
Bangkok (B744)
Beijing (DC10)
Busan (B757)
Hong Kong (B742)
Manila (B744)
Nagoya/Saipan (B757)
Seoul (DC10)
Shanghai (B744)
Singapore (DC10)
Taipei (B757)
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RE: NW's Hub At NRT

Mon May 03, 2004 12:59 pm

21 departures a day on large aircraft is quite a lot. Plus they connect a ton of pax in Tokyo.

There is no one definition of Hub; it doesn't have to mean tons of flights at all hours of the day.
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RE: NW's Hub At NRT

Mon May 03, 2004 1:02 pm

I guess it's because it's a gold mine for NW. Plus, unlike Grand Forks, ND, where you can fly to one city (MSP) several times per day, NW flies from more of the U.S. to NRT than any other U.S. airline.

Additionally, from NRT NW flies to more of Asia (and second to 'Continental Micronesia' to Micronesia) than any non-Japanese airline.

Strangely enough, NW also considers AMS a hub. They fly from anywhere and everywhere from the U.S. T O AMS, but only to India B E Y O N D AMS.

Perhaps the codesharing from AMS to practically every KLM destination in Europe, Africa and the Middle East also make it reason enough to be considered a hub?

I guess CDG, FCO, MXP and ICN will soon enough be considered 'hubs' as well! (Once NW joins SkyTeam).
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RE: NW's Hub At NRT

Mon May 03, 2004 1:57 pm

As I-P says, a hub allows for (multiple) connecting opportunities, and that is exactly what happens at NRT for Northwest. All the inbound flights from mainland USA arrive around the same time and then depart for Asian destinations a couple of hours later. allowing for passengers from each inbound flight to connect to a number of outbound flights. The process operates in reverse too with inbound flights from Asian cities all connecting to the multiple destinations in the USA. This connectivity is very important to the ability to operate so many flights, as typically 60-70 per cent or more of all inbound passengers from mainland USA are connecting on to other destinations beyond NRT. (This will for example make the new PDX-NRT flight more viable for NWA than it was for Delta, where it was basically an O&D market). Likewise, AMS is a hub because of the connectivity to KLM's flights to Europe/Africa/Middle East - and typically 75-80 per cent of passengers to/from AMS are connecting onward. CDG/MXP, etc - CDG certainly will fall into a similar role as the KLM/Air France merger advances and NWA / Continental fit into Skyteam.
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RE: NW's Hub At NRT

Tue May 04, 2004 3:45 am

Flights are timed for connections. It's a feeder city operation. ANC is a hub for NW freighters and there are only a dozen or so freighters in the fleet but resorting still is scheduled there. This is opposed to being a spoke city where only flights from hubs dead end and return.
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RE: NW's Hub At NRT

Tue May 04, 2004 5:27 am

A hub is generally the centre of a spoke and that is exactly what Narita is to NW and UA. Flights come in from various points in the States, everyone transfers on to other NW flights going to various points in Asia and vice versa. That is a tremendous amount of activity considering most of the NW aircraft at Narita were 747s when I lived there (between 1993 and 2000).
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