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Ozark Airlines

Mon May 03, 2004 11:01 pm

Ok..i think this has come up before but i cannot find it in the post history  Smile I was reading through a 1985 Ozark timetable and saw that they had flights from FLL to MIA on a daily basis. My question is how many people would actually fly that and if so, what was the fare??
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Mon May 03, 2004 11:16 pm

I flew on that flight 1 time, going from MIA to STL with a stop in FLL. Don't remember much about the very short hop, but the FLL-STL sector was great. Very few people and the food was fantastic. They even had a dessert cart in their all Y configuration!
 
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 12:01 am

Most likely the FLL to MIA was part of a flight that had more cities. I doubt that the flight originated in one city and terminated in another.
I remember that Braniff had flights that went DFW > FLL > MIA. I flew it once with a 727-200. The flight carried no local traffic between the two Florida cities, merely picked up people in both MIA and FLL who were going to DFW and beyond.
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 2:31 am

CO also did an FLL-MIA flight that continued on to DEN (Stapleton) back in the early 80's on a 727-200. I flew it both ways on a trip back home to ONT. As I recall, there weren't a whole lot of people on the FLL-MIA portions, but most passengers either enplaned or deplaned at MIA. I do remember that on the MIA-FLL portion, there were maybe 10 pax. MY CO timetable from those days shows a block time of 22 minutes, but the actual flight lasted only 6 or 8 minutes.

While waiting for for my FLL-MIA-DEN-ONT flight, I recall seeing the BN flight (mentioned in earlier post) take off for MIA. A brown Ultra paint job, I think. (Don't ask why, just one of those crazy things one remembers).

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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 2:42 am

does anyone know what the flight path was for the MIA-FLL trip or vice versa? My guess is it would take off over the ocean and turn back in.
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 3:19 am

Those short segment or odd ball city pair segments were usually done to position the aircraft for a much more lucrative route later in the day or the following morning. DL had several of these equipment placement flights when I worked there. I remember ATL-BNA-SDF with the BNA-SDF portion operating after midnight. As I recall, DL didn't even publish the BNA-SDF segment in it's timetables. There was also ATL-MEM-LIT (B727) with the MEM-LIT leg departing around 2300 or so. Usually, there were maybe 15 thru passengers from ATL going to LIT and maybe 2 or 3 local MEM passengers boarded for LIT. However, that same plane would make up the first flight to ATL the next day out of LIT and every seat would be filled. Some of these types of flights would operate during the middle of the day such as MEM-HSV-ATL (DC9) and back the other way with the MEM-HSV portions practically empty. DL also had a MEM-MIA-FLL. I am sure that there were other flights like this back then too. I would doubt that this practice is used very often today though.
 
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 3:31 am

Years ago (I'm thinking 1987) UA had a flight the operated ORD-AUS-IAH, with the equipment opetating IAH-ORD the next morning. I flew the AUS - IAH leg. It operated around 9:30 PM, and usually had no more than 6-8 PAX. One night I recall there being more crew than PAX.
 
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 4:00 am

CO had a 737-700 on LAX-SNA a couple years ago, same thing for positioning flights. it came from CLE to LAX and then on to SNA i dont know where it went from there, but reverse was SNA LAX CLE as well.

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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 4:05 am

It seems a lot of the shorter or more point to point routes came from the pre-deregulation era.
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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 4:40 am

7E72004:

I actually do remember the flight paths we took for my two flights on CO:

MIA-FLL, flew on 1/6/81: departed MIA on runway 30, turned north and landed on runway 9L at FLL.

FLL-MIA, flew on 4/22/82: departed FLL on runway 9L, turned to the southwest and landed on what is now runway 9 (was 9R) at MIA.

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RE: Ozark Airlines

Tue May 04, 2004 7:19 am

I remember in the mid 1980's United was struggling to fill passengers on its flights to Bakersfield and Santa Barbara from San Francisco. Really too big for RJ's and too small for the props of the time, it ended up being two flights a day in a circle route.

The morning departure route went SFO-SBA-BFL-SFO, and the afternoon departure went SFO-BFL-SBA-SFO. I took this route BFL-SBA to visit a friend in Santa Barbara. The BFL-SBA route was a 737-222 and VERY crowded, but the return flight SBA-BFL was almost completely empty. That was a 727-122, as I remember the galley in the middle on the right of the plane.

Both were quick trips - no services, seat belt lights on the whole time - I think less than half an hour from push back to pull in.

Funny thing was, for many years, AA did the same thing with MD-80's to/from DFW!!
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