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ERJ170
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Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 8:46 am

Read in an article today (sorry, can't remember which one) that Ireland was in negotiations for a free airspace agreement with the US. Ireland wanted to fly points within the US, but they didn't wanted to go behind the back of the EU to do so. Has anyone heard anything abou this?
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 8:54 am

hi,

Yes. EI is asking the Irish governemt to enter talks with the US for an interim agreement on increased access until such time as the EU/US conclude their wider negotiations. This will be legal as talks will be "supervised" by the EU.

EI want to add three new destinations in the US within three months of any new deal. (The conventional wisdom here in Ireland says they will be MIA or MCO, SFO and maybe DFW) The US is seeking the end of the Shannon stopover (which they are likely to succeed in doing  Wink/being sarcastic in return.

EI has seen 100% loads on US flights on many occasions and has big expansion ambitions in this area.

EI already flies to JFK, BOS, ORD, BWI and LAX. It also has rights for EWR but pulled out post 9/11, leaving that market to CO.

[Edited 2004-05-05 02:02:24]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 9:04 am

Hehehee.. how about some RDU action? Can hook up with OneWorld partner AA to fly to further destinations? Just a thought. And I thought the deal was for some point to point destinations in the US.. Are you saying it is just for more destinations?
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 9:10 am

I'm unsure of what you mean exactly. Did you think EI wanted to fly Internal US flights? If so, then no, they are just seeking to add a few more destinations. 3 more might only be the initial launch though: their wish list has quite a few other US airports mentioned.

 
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 9:15 am

Ohhh.. okay.. thanks for the correction. Pretty cool.. I like to see the Clover Flying.. such a cool A/C livery.. Well, if you know anyone in Operations at Aer Lingues, will you mention RDU for me! LOL.. Thanks, buddy.
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 9:24 am

Don't be surprised to see the shamrock at RDU someday. (but it will be quite a while I think..  Wink/being sarcastic.. the low fares are certainly stimulating demand, and not just from Cities that have traditional Irish populations. Maybe those nice new 7E7's that Aer Lingus are thinking of ordering would be perfect!

 
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 9:42 am

hmmm.. any timeframe? are there negotiations going on? details, please!
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EI To US

Wed May 05, 2004 8:19 pm

Aer Lingus is chomping at the bit to add new US services and has apparently convinced the Irish govt of the need for change. However, the Irish government has a difficult balancing act to perform, as it must be seen to be protecting Shannon too, even if only for electoral purposes.

The US government wants to see the stopover out of the way. My personal view remains that since a decision on EI's new t/a fleet is hanging on what new access it gets, Boeing has a very good chance of a deal here. EI could use 777s to replace 333s and continue using 332s until the 7E7 is available. Sure, some might say commonality suggests Airbus might be a better option, but if Boeing can, not just provide a good deal, but the right airplane, then I think it may be in with a good chance. And, unofficially, a Boeing deal could 'help' to open up new gateways for EI.

This will be a very interesting process to watch ...
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 9:50 pm

Hey if this happens. Then service it MIA is coming.
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:09 pm

Another thing to remember is that the Irish gov't may be weary of removing the Shannon stopover requirement in the near future because the airports are also all going to split up from the existing Aer Rianta company. It could mean a lot of bad times for Shannon...

But Aer Lingus definitely wants to expand to MIA & SFO.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:16 pm

What's with the Shannon stop-over? I have noticed flights route that way; id that a law?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Thu May 06, 2004 1:16 am

Yes, pending a new US-Irealand air treaty, Aer Lingus will almost certainly launch services to San Francisco and Miami. In the longer run, look for Dallas and Orlando too.
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Thu May 06, 2004 1:32 am

What's with the Shannon stop-over? I have noticed flights route that way; id that a law?

Yes.

Any USA airline routing that serves DUB has to serve SNN with the same calendar-weekly frequency.
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RE: Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?

Thu May 06, 2004 1:36 am

ConcordeBoy,

I believe that the SNN stopover also includes Canada. I remember the rule covering all transatlantic, but I could be mistaken.