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SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 5:15 am

SriLankan will be doing a massive expansion in the Middle East. It is planning to increase service to Dubai to double daily. Combined with Emirates, they will operate 34 flights a week.

In addition, they will be adding two more flights a week to Kuwait.

They are also making plans to return to Beirut via Kuwait.

SriLankan discontinued Beirut following the Tamil Tiger rebel attacks in Colombo Airport in 2001 which destroyed a number of SriLankan's aircraft.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 6:22 am

Great news BA, I hope this is not going to affect Air Arabia plans.

Actually, Air Arabia is doing great on Beirut-Sharjah-Colombo route, and just yesterday they have announced a new price for their Beirut-Sharjah route for 69$ only. I doubt any other airline can compete with Air Arabia prices.

Good News for BIA anyway.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 6:30 am

Would they be allowed to have 5th freedom pax rights for KWI-BEY-KWI?

I am in KWI right now at the airport hotel and when i landed at 735pm local time there was UL A 332 + LH A 343 + KU B 744 and Air Arabia A 320 among the noticeable airlines/aircraft around...and a horrible new livery schemed GF A 320 !!!

this is good news concerning UL and BEY...I hope A 332s will be used!!!
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 6:35 am

Would they be allowed to have 5th freedom pax rights for KWI-BEY-KWI?

Lebanon will automatically grant them because of Lebanon's Open Skies policy. However, Kuwait does not have an Open Skies policy and are very strict about granting 5th freedom rights.

So I highly doubt it.

this is good news concerning UL and BEY...I hope A 332s will be used!!!

It could either be A332 or A343 or even both. When SriLankan used to fly to Beirut before they discontinued it, they flew both.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 3:20 pm

BA

Kuwait freely grants 5th freedom rights to any airline, as long as that airline's home-base would grant the same for Kuwait's carrier should they apply in future.

I know this cause I worked in the Kuwaiti civil aviation authority and got access to all airliner's files.

Incidentally, UL has 5th freedom between KWI-DXB. Should they decide to further increase flights into KWI and continue to BEY, I don't see why they wont get that approved.

Kuwait is not as 'strict' as you think.  Smile

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 3:51 pm

i can think of two main groups of travelers who would need the service from BEY to Colombo.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 4:01 pm

I can think of ten groups that need service between KWI and BEY! In summer, that route is so heavily booked that both MEA and KU can't keep up with demand.

I was in BEY last August and wasn't able to get out. MEA had a double daily 321 to KWI and both were heavily booked. KU has a double-daily, in which one was the 744 and that one had 220 on waiting list. That flight took off and still left behind 120 travellers on that waiting list.

So I really hope UL (and others) get on that route. God knows we need it, seeing so much of us go there for our summer vacations (esp the mountains of Leb.).
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 4:29 pm

well...i can only think of 2 on this portion.

what does KU fly into BEY? The airbuses? i know theyve sent 744s before...

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 4:34 pm

Pardon for my lack of knowledge, but would there be a market for such a flight?
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 4:45 pm

which one Alitalia?

Beirut-Colombo or Beirut-Kuwait?
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 7:18 pm

Hi BA,

It is rumored that Air Moldova might start serving BEY for the summer season.
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 7:45 pm

Do MEA plan to return to Sri Lanka or start a service to India perhaps?
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 7:47 pm

It would be nice to have Srilankan back to BEY,the Srilankan population in Lebanon is important,and I believe they would like to see a non-stop service to Colomob again,though Air Arabia is offering very low prices through SHJ.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 7:53 pm

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Kuwait Airways currently serves BEY with their A300s,I checked some online timetables but none showed an equipment upgrade,here's a Kuwait A300 at Beirut:
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 8:19 pm

Airmale,

There are no plans for the Indian sub-continent at the moment. MEA has other priorities which are adding frequencies to the Gulf and Europe.
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 9:56 pm

What about Stockholm? They flow here with big success before the tamili attacks in Sri Lanka.
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 10:23 pm

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True. Both MEA and KU scheduled the 321 and 300 respectively for this summer but you'll see the equipment upgrade during the period Aug 20-Sept10. Anything from KU's 777 to the 744 will be serving BEY (and CAI as well).
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 06, 2004 11:13 pm

What about Beirut, what about Stockholm, what about Sydney, what about Johannesburg, what about Goa, what about Dhaka what about Rome, what about Amsterdam, what about Milan, what about ...

My friends, SriLankan Airlines has a lot of plans which they work on. One or the other will come true soon ...

I doubt that there is still aircraft capacity to service BEY via KWI with 332/343 unless cutting other routes till the end of this year when they don't need the spare 343 as replacement of the acfts which are undergoing major check's.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Fri May 07, 2004 4:52 am

MEA has no plans to return to Asia at the moment.

As for the SriLankan flight. They got approval from the Kuwait government to add 2 more flights a week to Kuwait and the plan is these two flights will continue to Beirut.

They are just finalizing it.

OD720,

I heard the rumor about Air Moldova too but it doesn't appear to be materializing.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Fri May 07, 2004 6:51 am

Alitalia7e7,

There is definately a market for such a flight.

Malaysia Airlines is the only carrier that provides direct same plane service to mainland Asia. They currently operate 3x weekly A330-200 via Dubai on Tuesdays, Fridays, and Sundays.

As I said, SriLankan discontinued Beirut after they lost some planes in the Tamil Tiger Rebel attacks at Colombo Airport in 2001.

However, the route was profitable from what I heard and in the end, they upgraded 1 of the 2 flights to being non-stop.

They should do quite well. Also, Thai Airways is planning Beirut service in the near future.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Fri May 07, 2004 8:18 am

Does anyone know when MEA will return to Australia. The lebanese population is so high here in Sydney and they are so patriotic that this company will make loads and loads of money!

AirxLiban, I meant the pax between Colombo and Beirut? Would there be enough demand???
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Fri May 07, 2004 8:33 am

Does anyone know when MEA will return to Australia.

Not anytime soon.

AirxLiban, I meant the pax between Colombo and Beirut? Would there be enough demand???

I just answered this question for you in my last reply. Refer to reply 19.  Smile

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Fri May 07, 2004 12:55 pm

Sleak76,

Thanks for the information about the traffic rights from Kuwait.

Yes, Kuwait - Lebanon is very very popular and flights are always fully booked up to a week in advance when I check the schedules.

As you said, Kuwait Airways does a lot of last minute equipment upgrades.

Last summer, I saw A340-300s, 777-200ERs, and their single 747-400.

It will indeed be very good if SriLankan is granted 5th freedom rights on the KWI-BEY segment. This will help alleviate the demand.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Fri May 07, 2004 5:05 pm

I think SriLankan Airlines flies CMB-KWI (with one stop) already daily since the beginning of the Winter 03/04 schedule. Those 2 flights added, does it mean they are going to fly 9 times a week into KWI?
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sat May 08, 2004 2:01 am

BA, with respect to a fellow MEA fan, you didn't really answer Alitalia7E7's question.

The reason SriLankan have a market on the route to Lebanon is because there are a lot of Sri Lankan guestworkers in Beirut - mostly domestic help. In many ways Lebanon is a wealthy country and there are plenty of communities that employ maids etc. MEA used to fly to Colombo, certainly in the 90s and possibly the 80s. It was a 707 service via Dubai. Ended in the mid 90s when the network was extensively curtailed to get profitable.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sat May 08, 2004 2:17 am

Swissgabe

True. Since Oct 03 UL has upgraded their flights to KWI to a daily service, all via DXB. They have 5th freedon rights between KWI and DXB.

Should their daily service get an increase of 2 weekly flights then yes, KWI will be a 9 weekly service. 7 coming in from DXB and 2 stoping in KWI first before continuing to BEY and terminating there.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sat May 08, 2004 3:21 am

MEA code shares with Qatar Airways on the BEY-DOH route and on to the Indian Subcontinent/Central Asian routes by QA. Qatar Airways will be flying double daily into Beirut using A-320/321 starting next month, and back into regular daily schedule in October.

To my fellow from Kuwait I say, Kuwaitis should not discount other Middle Eastern carriers that fly extensively into Beirut. Passengers from Kuwait should be easily able to connect via Abu Dhabi, Doha, Manama and Dubai and onward into BEY. In most cases the lay over is quite short! However, as for direct flights, I think there are at least one start up from Kuwait called "Al-Jazeera" that should consider coming to BEY for the direct service convenience of Kuwaiti passengers.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sat May 08, 2004 4:22 am

I think SriLankan Airlines flies CMB-KWI (with one stop) already daily since the beginning of the Winter 03/04 schedule. Those 2 flights added, does it mean they are going to fly 9 times a week into KWI?

That's correct.

I think there are at least one start up from Kuwait called "Al-Jazeera" that should consider coming to BEY for the direct service convenience of Kuwaiti passengers.

Al-Jazeera will be a charter carrier with 1 Avro RJ70 based in Abu Dhabi although the airline is owned by Kuwaitis.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sat May 08, 2004 2:29 pm

One question about SriLankan's previous service to Beirut.

I remember for a while, they upgraded of 1 the 2 flights to being non-stop. Was this upgrade only for the summer season or a permanent upgrade?

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sat May 08, 2004 10:47 pm

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sun May 09, 2004 1:39 am

This route (in a way) will hurt MEA.

MEA code-shares with Qatar Airways on the BEY-DOH & DOH-BEY.

Most of the passengers, tend to Sri Lankan labors, bussniessmen/women, and some cargo that flies on to Colombo.

But it won't hurt MEA very much. Its like losing one once of blood to a human.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sun May 09, 2004 2:52 am

Thanks Swissgabe.

ToBEYwithMEA,

The code-share with Qatar Airways is pretty much for all destinations to Asia. So one route shouldn't affect it much.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sun May 09, 2004 8:51 am

By the way, I am pretty sure SriLankan offered good connections to Australia and this is another thing that drove the flight.

There is a huge Lebanese population in Australia which drove demand for these flights in addition to the many SriLankan workers.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Sun May 09, 2004 3:31 pm

There are several reasons why SriLankan Airlines could go back to Australia. A lot of SriLankans live in Australia as well and during the low season in India, SL and other Asian places, Australia could be sold in Europe.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Mon May 10, 2004 12:56 am

How is Colombo Airport? Is it well designed for transitting?

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Mon May 10, 2004 1:33 am

BA,

CMB airport is all right. The last time I was there a few years back, it was a bit not as developed as the ones you find in the middle east. Its heck of a lot better than anything else in South Asia. They actually have an airport where bribes are not the means to get you through immigration or bags dont get stolen. Also the airport is quite clean. (hint, hint to other south asian airports) Main reasons, the Sri Lankans tend to be an educated and sophisticated bunch compared to others in the region and tend to treat foreigners and their country with respect (at least from what I have seen)

From what I heard recently, CMB is building a new runway to prepare for the A380 and are upgrading the terminals to handle airbridges, etc.

One thing I can say is, its very very hot when you get out of the plane at this airport. Especially for someone like me who is used to Canadian weather and also unlike Middle east weather (Which I am used to as well), there is more humidity in CMB.

Last I heard they are building another international airport south of the country...as well..(not sure on this one).

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Mon May 10, 2004 1:47 am

Thanks for the information YYZ4RADD. Glad to hear it is not like BOM or DEL.  Smile

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Mon May 10, 2004 3:56 am

CMB doesn't build a new runway but the current one will be extended. The airport it self does undergo several upgrade stages. The first one (which takes place at the moment) will ad 8 jetways. The last one will include a new terminal opposite the current one replacing the airforce base at BIA.

There have been several other discussion on this, you might try to do a search.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Mon May 10, 2004 4:05 am

It's nice to see UL expanding, as I flew on them 6 times last year, and had a throughly enjoyable time every time.
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Mon May 10, 2004 5:17 am

how easy or difficult is it to extend a exisitng runway with out shutting down the airport for several weeks? from what i understand BIA has only one runway
 
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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Wed May 12, 2004 10:02 pm

EuroLeb: you are correct with your piece re Al-Jazeera

BA .. I'll need to correct part of your information re. Al-Jazeera:

Al-Jazeera will be a charter carrier with 1 Avro RJ70 based in Abu Dhabi although the airline is owned by Kuwaitis.

As what a member of the airline's board of directors told me yesterday:

Al-Jazeera will be a private low-cost carrier (not charter), based at Kuwait Airport - KWI (not AUH). This airline is still not established. It will be established in two-three weeks time, with 70% of the airline shares open for public subscription, the remaining 30% retained by the founders/owners (Boodai Aviation Group) and the first formal board meeting takes place followed by press release to the Kuwaiti press about their plans.

He then told me that they plan to start with 4-6 Airbus aircraft and starting with routes to the Gulf (DXB, BAH, and probably Saudi), along with CAI, BEY and then India. Along with the corporate Head Office, these aircraft will be based at Kuwait International Airport. They foresee themselves flying by September 2004.

This is what he told me and, as he said, the September start-up date isn't entirely sure yet.. At least not until the first formal board meeting takes place and the company formally becomes established as an airline.

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 13, 2004 5:01 am

Shukran Sleak76.

Do you know if they have a website up yet?

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RE: SriLankan Making Plans To Return To Beirut

Thu May 13, 2004 4:26 pm

3awfan BA  Smile

As to website, nothing yet. It'll probably come up sometime during summer.

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