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Chicago Express Question

Thu May 06, 2004 6:42 pm


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OK C8 employees, the ATA website http://www.ata.com/prod_svcs/ata/connex.html shows service to begin between MDW and FWA starting in June 2004. How many flights a day and what are the hopes of you all on loads?
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 12:31 am

Four daily round-trips. I certainly hope they are full. I am not sure what the official stats are.

I am a mainline employee. But, since no one else said much.

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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 1:05 am

The schedule is loaded in all major CRSs and can also be accessed on ATA.com. It's four RTs a day.

My expectation for loads? Poor, but I've been known to be wrong before. FWA offered $2.5 million in cash, waived fees, and the like in exchange for 12 months of service. Can't fault a company for following the money.

We'll all get to see how if goes in less than a month.

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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 2:46 am

are they contracting CSAs at FWA?
 
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 6:18 am

No, we're opening a station there with C8 employees. The manager going to FWA has been with C8 for awhile and is a good guy. The only cities where we are ground handled is by ATA at MDW and IND and in MKE our ramp ops are done by HP due to a weird airport authority regulation. We handle Skyway at DAY.

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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 6:45 am

Didn't ATA connection drop service to Cedar Rapids and another city?
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 9:02 am

CID and LEX close at the end of this month to free up aircraft to fly IND shuttle and open FWA.

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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 2:36 pm

I just heard an interesting rumor coming from ATA Connection's training department in MDW. We sent a couple of new hires down from GRR for training in MDW and the came back with this interesting rumor. Apparently the training crew in MDW has been told by ATA that if the possibility for 100 seaters come into a reality that some of the larger ATA Connections should expect to see some of the new planes on expanded service. Just wondering if any other C8 employees heard this. Sounds like a realistic possibility to me but again it's all purely speculation and I will firmly believe it when I see it in the computers.
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 2:37 pm

FWA is also going to be an interesting station as it will be the first city in which our Saabs will be loaded with a jet bridge. I'm sure that it will last or at least until the damage either the plane or the propeller with the jet bridge.
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Fri May 07, 2004 3:24 pm

Do you think TZ will ever start main line service out of FWA? I know Ambassadair Travel had some flights out of there (usually to Florida and the Islands). I would like to see main line in there, try scheduled flights to LGA and Florida and go from there.
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 1:12 am

My expectation for loads? Poor, but I've been known to be wrong before.

I'm curious why you think they will be poor. Any word on how the sales are so far?

I would much rather see a couple 100-seat flights rather than the frequency on the 34 seaters. I would think vacations would prefer the jet over schedule choices also since can plan that into the trip rather than worry about strict schedules for business meetings, etc.
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 5:38 am

I could totally see floating a 717 into a few higher yield cities like DAY and GRR. Having a 100 seat aircraft in the mix really could free this aircraft to move around the C8/TZ system. Who know though... We can only speculate!

And I am SURE FWA's loads will start really bad for the first 6 months or so. Nobody knows who this new airline is, and it takes time to build a new market.

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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 5:42 am

Perhaps ATA will start service from IND to SBNSmile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 5:46 am

If the rumour about the 100 seater is true, and even more so if it's a 717, GRR will become a pretty good airport, 717's, 732's, 733/735 (not sure which one UA brings in), 320's, CRJ, ERJ, FRJ, and B1900's. Will make their great spotting place even better.

Back on topic...

I wouldn't suprise me if C8 did well in FWA, don't really know why.
 
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 5:47 am

Did Usair operate flights from IND to FWA at some point?
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 6:34 am

It was a rumor about the 100 seaters...i know pilots at Chi Ex that still tell me they are thinking about the Saab 2000. I dought they will get either. They will stay the way they are for awhile. Suck their dropping the Cedar Rapids trips though, i always thought that brought a pretty good load?
 
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 3:27 pm

" Perhaps ATA will start service from IND to SBN "
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" Did Usair operate flights from IND to FWA at some point? "

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About ten years ago, Chautauqua flew back and forth in the Saabs but I can not remember what the frequencies were. I flew to FWA a couple of times on the 340.


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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sat May 08, 2004 8:20 pm

So If TZ gets the 717 or the E190, how many TZ gates are now available at MDW? The Saabs can't park at the terminal ramp, so where will all the extra 100 seat a/c park? I wonder if there will be some a/c shuffling with some of the 738s and 75's placed on non MDW routes when/if TZ gets the 100 seat a/c....
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sun May 09, 2004 1:08 am

Yep.....we do handle Skyway Airlines flights here in Dayton. It began that we would handle their flights here in Dayton and Skyway would handle our(C8) flights inot MKE. That didn't last long though and as Joe said HP does our handling in MKE now.

It would be interesting if we get larger aircraft here in DAY.....we would give AirTran a run for their money!!!

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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sun May 09, 2004 1:27 am

Speaking of...how do the South Bend flight do for Chicago Express, I know that on a daily basis they always run 6 to 7 flights a day.
 
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RE: Chicago Express Question

Sun May 09, 2004 2:12 am

Two of SBN's round trips are guaranteed to operate to ferry aircraft to and from MX visits at our hangar there. Their loads usually are in the middle of the pack among cities with the same number of daily flights. SBN certainly is no slouch.

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