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Changes At YYZ Are True

Tue Feb 08, 2000 5:43 pm

Its a fact everyone. Seeing by all the memos posted in all the different airline offices in T-1, ITS OFFICIAL, as of June 1st, so look for a lot of moving around in April & May. All airlines out of T-1 are being moved to T-3. I believe that AC & CP will want to be the first to relocate to T-New. By moving some operations, be it International or Domestic, to T-1, both airlines will have first dibs on the first gates in T-New, which will be in operation by 2003.....for all of you in YYZ that take the 409, take a close look at the bottom of that big billboard showing the new terminal, if you read the bottom of it, it says that Phase one will be in operation by that time. I now that both AC & CP will have a hard time in the next few years adjusting to T-1, but for them I guess its a small price to pay to be the first to locate themselves in the new terminal. Already, many airlines in T-1, have begun to choose their counter space, and look for areas to build offices, hang signs ect...AC183..YYZ is too big of an airport to have AC start sending flights over to any other major airport in Canada, it would be a waste of time for its passengers to be redirected. As far as Im concerned AC is doing well out of YYZ and I dont believe that it will start redirecting any time soon. My only question at this time is.. What will AC do about CP's alliance? Will it keep it together with ONEworld or move it over to their STARalliance? If anyone can get back to me on that, it would be great!! For anyone interested CANJET will not be located in Toronto, it will be operated out of Hamilton. In regards again to them moving to T-1, it makes scence, terminals 1 & 2 are closer together then terminal 3, and again would be easier for passengers passing thru YYZ and more cost effective. At this time AC has spent money on a sole shuttle service between T3 & T2, and this has slowed the regular shuttle service for the entire airport, because they are utilizing the GTAA shuttle busses. By having the two terminals closer together, passengers might not even have to make a switch, instead, simply board their transiting aricraft within their respective terminals. Also, while speaking to a US customs officer in T1, they have heard that incoming international flights, with connections to the US, will not have to clear Canadian customs, they simply will clear US customs upon arrival and be on their way to their next flight. Which is great, they save time, and more flights can depart earlier. All in all, the changes will happen. Yes, T1 is run down, but I'm sure that AC & CP will manage. By having the entire terminal, they can greater accomodate thier passengers by having everything close together.

RE: Changes At YYZ Are True

Tue Feb 08, 2000 6:55 pm

About CP and AC's affiliation with oneworld and Star Alliance, I heard that AC is going to want CP to leave oneworld and join the Star Alliance. But I've also read that AC wanted to put CP in with the Delta/Air France alliance! Which does not make sense to me if CP is to eventually merge with AC, as AC is obviously with Star.
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RE: Changes At YYZ Are True

Wed Feb 09, 2000 2:02 am

Okay you made your point on that. Can you give me the details about T-New being connected to T-3 I think that will work. You can add about 50 more gates if they were to do that.
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RE: Changes At YYZ Are True

Wed Feb 09, 2000 2:45 am

A year ago Nov. I operated onone of the flights that officiated the opening of the new runway in YYZ. After the go-around, everyone was invited back to the GTAA building for a modest buffet. A huge artist's conception of T-New was on display and many of us asked lots of questions of the staff. At that time the plan was in 5 phases the last of which was to construct an underground tunnel from T-New to T-3. This final phase would not be completed until 2005 and is sort of a "throw away" if the entire project runs too far over budget. A further understanding from that event was, once T-1 is emptied of airlines (the plan then was to split them up between T-2 and T-3), T-1 was being torn down to begin the phase for the new terminal on that site. With developments in the last year though, this could very well have changed.
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RE: Changes At YYZ Are True

Wed Feb 09, 2000 5:20 am

Well, I'm somewhat surprised to hear this, but if it's only until T-New is built, I guess it's not the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. Still, after spending all that money on CP lounges and facilities at T3, I still think it's a little surprising. By the way, how long is it until phase 1 of T-New opens? And in the meantime, isn't there a tunnel between T1 and T2?

Also, I wanted to comment on this for the sake of discussion:
"YYZ is too big of an airport to have AC start sending flights over to any other major airport in Canada, it would be a waste of time for its passengers to be redirected"

Transatguy, YYZ is a hub airport, and will contine to be AC's largest hub anytime into the future. However, I think that as AC and CP combine operations at YYZ, the end result will be less than the sum of the parts. The reasons I can see this are as follows: (1) AC/CP have to surrender slots and facilities at YYZ, (2) WestJet and CanJet will siphon some traffic off to YHM, (3) routes will be directed around YYZ instead of hubbed through it, (such as YEG-YUL instead of passengers changing planes in YYZ, among many other routes), (4) there is talk of additional operations at Toronto City Center, which would draw traffic away from YYZ, and (5) AC has bantered about the idea of concentrating on building YUL as a second major hub recently, to complement YYZ. This would, however, mean that YYZ wouldn't have the growth it has in the past few years from AC. Undoubtably there will be other carriers increasing service to YYZ, but new AC/CP flights won't be as drastic as they have been in the last few years, and probably won't match the cuts in service on many routes.


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RE: Changes At YYZ Are True

Wed Feb 09, 2000 7:23 am

I herd of more YYZ flights with AC. Also I will have a look at the terminal new to see about that
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RE: Changes At YYZ Are True

Wed Feb 09, 2000 8:18 am

YWG777: YYZ will have some new flights. But not necessarily more traffic for AC. My point was (in the post before that one) that they may not need as many facilities as AC and CP have in the past. Consider for example, that many new flights will simply replace connections at other airports. So instead of connecting at LHR for AMS, there will be a direct flight from YYZ, for example. Also, there will be some reductions at YYZ. Like reduced CP eastern shuttle service. And reduced flights to other cities. And reduced passengers connecting. It will still be AC's major hub, but there will also be a lot more flights that go direct without connecting at YYZ (ie-YYC-EWR). Also, there has to be a reduction in order to satisfy the competition bureau's demand that they surrender slots.

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