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What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Tue Feb 08, 2000 11:35 pm

Does anyone know what seems to be happening to UPS's 727-200's in the US?? At our airport, we've always had 27-200's or an occasional 27-100QF; for the past eight months, we've been getting in 757's and an occasional DC-8-71 (very cool!) every morning, but I haven't seen a 727 in months (and I live 3 miles from our airport and also live right under a main flight path and can usually set my clock by the 757 and a later Airborne DC-9 in the AM). I know that the 27's are getting a little long in the tooth, so, if anyone has any info on this, it'd be neat to know!! Thanks!
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RE: What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Wed Feb 09, 2000 12:01 am

It could be that UPS is simply getting increased business in your market. UPS spent a huge amount on the RR Tay engine retrofit and EFIS cockpits for their 727s and it would be foolish to get rid of them.

When I lived in STL they had 727s there for many years with an occasional 757 or DC-8 around the holidays. Now its all 757s augmented by DC-8s in December. Here in Houston we get 767s and 727s.
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RE: What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Wed Feb 09, 2000 12:08 am

Well My Father works for UPS, as a Supervisor, and he says the DC-8 are going to be gone at the end of this year. they are going to be replaced with a new Aircraft in there Fleet the A-300. As Far as I know,the 727 is still alive and Kicking

RE: What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Wed Feb 09, 2000 12:32 am

I've seen and walked thru UPS 727-100QF last summer at Oshkosh Air Venture.

I've got a chance to have a sit in captain's chair and talk with lady who was the captain on that plane. They were running new TCAS (not the correct term) trial system on that and number of other cargo aircrafts.

The flight panel was completely new -- all electronic gauges, EFIS, it even had HUD. The new "TCAS" system was especially interesting -- it is a systam that incorporates flight plan, weather and flight data from other aircrafts in area, something what ATC sees on their screen. Perhaps someone can tell more about this, unofrtunately I've lost brochures on this system.

From what I've seen on that UPS 727, I'd guess those planes have thousands of landings ahead of them.

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RE: What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Wed Feb 09, 2000 2:51 am

Last April, I took a UPS charter from BOS to NAS. During our layover, wherever the heck it was, I went up to the flight deck for a great deal of time.

I sat in Captain's seat while the First Officer showed me all the new things that UPS has added.

As someone already stated, they have added TCAS, removed most of the analog displays and replaced them with the digital ones and they have HUDs. However, UPS hasn't added autoland because they believe the pilot should land the aircraft.

I guess all these upgrades come rather cheaply for UPS because they now own Apollo Technologies (a maker of EFIS instruments).

I have pictures of the cockpit, but I'm unable to put them up because Kodak only puts them on the PictureCD when you initially develop them.

Most of what's been said about modifying the 727s are correct. In fact, UPS has added brand-new engines on them. I don't remember if my 727 had winglets...

- Neil Harriosn
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RE: What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Wed Feb 09, 2000 2:58 am

UPS has almost B727, most of them are B721-QF. None of them are being retired as of this moment and here in Louisville, we have on an average weekday about 80-90 UPS B727 take-offs; most of them are returning back to SDF and then take-off again.
All UPS traffic into Albany (I presume this is the airport you are talking about) is primarily B757 traffic. The morning flight into ALB comes out of Philadelphia and has an ETA of 8:46am. It continues to Suracuse @ 9:31am. There is a second B757 into ALB, with an ETA of 11:35am from Hartford, CT; and that aircraft leaves @ 2:12pm going back to Hartford.

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RE: What's Happened To UPS's Domestic 727's?

Wed Feb 09, 2000 6:19 am

Thanks all for your replies - I guess Albany has gotten a little bigger, and heck no, I don't mind seeing a 757 coming into our new "international" airport every morning - it's the only regular 757 visitor we get in here (aside from a stray C-5, C-17, or Arabian 747SP during the Saratoga racing season in August) and the biggest aircraft that's a regular visitor. Sorry to hear about the DC-8's being retired - they truly are a magnificent sight coming in for short final, their long, arrowlike fuselages offset by their stubby CFM motors - they sure do not make them like this anymore!!! I 'll miss seeing them from my kitchen window as I'm having my morning coffee.......!
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Good Answers But Some Corrections

Wed Feb 09, 2000 6:55 am

First off the DC-8 fleet isn't being retired. The 8's are seeing less international destinations because the 767-34erf is taking over those routes. There is an abundance of spare parts for the UPS DC-8 fleet and along with some cockpit modifications and the cfm engine upgrades to make them 71/73 series that were done in the early 80's the UPS DC-8 fleet is going to be around for a while. The A-300 is being brought online because of the need for more capacity on regional routes. The A-300 lacks the range of the 767-34erf and the DC-8-71/73 but offers wide body capacity. The A-300 isn't going to be the DC-8 replacement yet.

As far as UPS buying Apollo that is wrong also. UPS has had a subsidiary called II Morrow for years. II Morrow is the maker of Apollo aviation products. UPS recently changed II Morrows name to UPS Aviation Technologies. You can find the information at UPS Aviation tech supplied equipment for the ADS-b program for the FAA were Airborne, Fed Ex and UPS installed the equipment on four aircraft to monitor air traffic around them. You can read more information about it here

The lack of 72's in your area was explained well by Boeing 727. With UPS's air services growing the need for excess capacity calls for larger aircraft at certain gateways. The 727's will be around for quite a while.
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RE: Good Answers But Some Corrections

Wed Feb 09, 2000 11:34 am

UPS Pilot--

Thanks for the correction... I knew you guys bought some technology company and I may have been confused on which one. It's hard to keep track with all these mergers going on all day!

- Neil Harrison

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