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AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Sun May 09, 2004 8:28 pm

Tomorrow Monday May 10th 2004, The first ever commercial flight of the brand new Boeing 777-300ER will take off from Paris- Charles De Gaulle Airport.

Air France flight AF006 will leave its home base at 1:15PM LT to New York-JFK, where it is scheduled to arrive at 3:15 PM LT.

F-GSQA will take off from JFK to operate flight AF007 at 7:45PMLT to CDG where it will arrive on Tuesday morning at 08:50AM.

The aircraft has a 3 classes configuration : 8 First / 67 Business / 235 Economy.

It is the first AF B777 to be fitted with the new First and Business class seats.

The aircraft will fly daily AF006 CDG/JFK/CDG until June 13th.
From June 14th, the aircraft since joined by F-GSQB and QG will operate AF276 & AF278 CDG-NRT.

AF has ordered 16 B773ER. 10 directly from Boeing, and 6 additional will be leased.

5 aircraft should join the AF fleet before the end of 2004.


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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 1:05 am

Great News!!!

Do you know what others destinations will cover the 773???.

FLYSSC:

By the way, just asking (out of topic). Where do you live? I will be on Paris this summer and I would like to know where could I take pictures of CDG airport and also at Orly. And if you had the schedule of the AF 773 I will appreciate it. Perhaps I could take the aircraft Big grin. And also if you could help me into France. Since this is the first time I will travel alone. Thanks!!!
Best Regards!!! Eduardo Lepe.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 1:09 am

Yes, they will sending with more B777-300 aircraft and will see how is they was doing.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 3:12 am

FLYSSC,

Do you have any idea what exactly this link means? Does it mean that the first flight will be in 4 days or that you take delivery in 4 days? However, I do believe you took delivery of your first one no?

http://www.airfrance.com/double6/home.nsf/(lookuppublishedweb)/Y1-PublishedmarketY1en?Opendocument

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 3:54 am

The aircraft has been delivered to AF a few days ago.

I think it arrived at CDG on April 29th or 30th.

The first flight is confirmed for tomorrow Monday May 10th - AF006 CDG-JFK dep. CDG 1:15PM Local Time.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 3:55 am

FLYSSC, will you have the chance to take pictures of the cabin?

That would be awesome! I can't wait to see a picture of le nouvel Espace Premiere!

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 4:13 am

I always have my camera in my bag. As soon as I can get into this plane at CDG, the new cabin won't have any more secret for A.net members !

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Mon May 10, 2004 5:36 am

Do you know what others destinations will cover the 773???

New York/Kennedy will be the first destination, followed by Tokyo/Narita.

Hong Kong and Singapore are likely to follow.
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 3:41 am

The first AF B777-300ER F-GSQA took off from CDG today at 1:36PM Local Time, operating AF 006 to JFK.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 4:10 am

I was listening to JFK Tower, AF006 has just been cleared to land at JFK. Rwy 22L I believe.




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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 4:28 am

This is a day to remember. Finally, the 773ER is here after six long years of waiting! Big grin
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 4:44 am

Excellent!  Big thumbs up
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 5:40 am

I just got back from JFK and she is a beauty!!!

I missed her landing by about a minute, but I heard her taxying on my scanner....I drove back into JFK and got a glimpse of her at the gate for about two minutes and she is really breathtaking!
It was my first time seeing any 777-300 and I've waited quite a while!

A true beauty!
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 5:49 am

What was the load factor on the 1st flight?
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 6:23 am

Here she is! Got to leave school early for it  Smile



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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 6:25 am

For anyone wanting to see the above pic in its entirety:

http://www.jfktower.com/jfktwr/download.php?id=626  Big grin
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 6:26 am

D'OH!

Sorry about that guys  Smile

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 12:56 pm

AA 777 : THE FLIGHT WAS FULL. In the 3 classes.

I was at CDG yesturday. Saw her departure and checked the booking...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 10:43 pm

I donno if this topic has been discussed but what is the exact reason why AF decided to go with the 773ER and not the 346? They already operate the 343 so would not the 346 be the logical choice cos of commanality between the two? Does anyone know the real reason - no i am not asking for a A vs B bashing contest.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 11:01 pm

Bluethunder... think Commonality doesnt really apply here... she operates 777-200s, so why not B777-300s?
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 11:07 pm

Already been discussed on a different thread. AF does not buy planes with RR engines and that is what the sole engine is on the A340-500/600.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 11:07 pm

Bluethunder, yes it has been discussed many times before in other threads. The reason Air France chose the 777-300ER over the A340-600 is because the Boeing has GE engines, which the Airbus doesn't have, that's the main reason. Air France Industries is focussing on only one engine manufacturer: General Electric. Boieng is offering the 777-300ER only with GE engines, it's no wonder why for the time being only Air France has it.

Air France has decided to reduce the number of fleet types, they are planning to get rid of the A340-300's in the long run, and rather operate the A330 and the B777 of both variants, 200IGW and 300ER. ETOPS restrictions are not a problem for Air France long haul network, overwater flights are transatlantic flights and flights to the DOM-TOM islands in the Pacific Ocean.
They are now getting rid of the Classic 747's which have been flying to leasure destinations. Once they are gone, the 747-400's (Air France has 13 of those) will take over the routes to leasure destinations and the brand new 777-300ER and her smaller sister the 777-200IGW, the first of which was introduced 6 years ago, will be assigned on routes to major business centers, JFK and NRT as mentioned in the above replies.

FLYSSC, thanks for the info. I appreciate. I'm looking forward to see pictures of the interiors.

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Tue May 11, 2004 11:08 pm

Does anyone know the real reason - no i am not asking for a A vs B bashing contest.

Consensus opinion is that it was engine related which makes perfect sense.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Wed May 12, 2004 12:11 am

American767,

Your answer to the previous question is perfectly correct. except :

Air France operates now 16 B747-400 (and not 13). Three more aircraft has been added to the fleet since july 2003. F-GITI and F-GITJ joined the fleet last summer. F-GITJ is the brand new last B744 delivered to AF only a few weeks ago ( March 31st 2004). This aircraft is the first B744 fitted with the new 2 classes configuration Buisness/Economy and has started to operate on the CDG-HAV route.
AF's B744 are :
F-GITA/B/C/D/E/F
F-GISA/B/C/D/E (ex-400Combi. Now all PAX a/c)
F-GEXA/B (ex-UTA a/c)
F-GITH/I/J. The 3 last a/c delivered.

Note that there is no F-GITG : this airplane was never delivered to AF. It was stored for a while and sold to Royal Air Maroc and now operates as CN-RGA for this airline.

AF also operates 4 B744-ER Freighters : F-GIUA/B/C/D.

 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Wed May 12, 2004 1:14 am

FLYSSC,
I knew for a long time Air France was operating a fleet of 13 B747-400 series aircraft but I didn't know they recently added another three. It looks like now there are no more of those waiting to be delivered, except maybe in freighter version. I knew UTA had ordered 2 but did those ever wear the UTA colours or they were painted directly in Air France colours once coming out of the assembly line? They have probably never worn the UTA scheme, UTA ordered them back in the 80's when the variant was announced and by the time the two airplanes were ready for delivery UTA was already swallowed by Air France.
Will all 16 PAX 400's be reconfigured in two-class service?


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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Wed May 12, 2004 1:31 am

Actually, UTA was the FIRST operator of the B744 in France, BEFORE Air France.

F-GEXA was the first one, delivered on Sept.22nd 1989 and used on the CDG-SIN-SYD route.

F-GITA, the first AF B744 was delivered on Feb.28th 1991
F-GEXB was the second one, delivered on July 26th 1991 and was a B744-Combi (now in an all PAX version).

Both XA and XB were delivered in the UTA colors originally.


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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Wed May 12, 2004 1:43 am

Merci beaucoup FLYSSC.

I was just curious to know if those 2 400's ever had the UTA colours, I have never seen a 400 in UTA colours, not even in a picture. Now I know they did wear the UTA livery before the merger in the early 90's.

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Wed May 12, 2004 10:16 am

FLYSSC,

Would you know AF's plans for First Class service to and from CDG from USA?
Which US gateways will continue to offer F/J/Y and which will offer only J/Y.

JFK/EWR/IAD/ORD/SFO/LAX/MIA-----F/J/Y???
ATL/IAH/BOS/CVG/PHL--------------J/Y???

Will SFO see only B744 and B777orwill the A340 continue on this route?

Merci,

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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Wed May 12, 2004 12:22 pm

I am not certain but I think JFK, IAD, LAX, IAH, and ATL (probably one of the two flights in ATL) will receive Espace Premiere aircraft. Remember, only the 777s will have a First Class cabin. In include IAH because it actually has a high yield pax base because of the Petroleum Club. I am inclined to say that YUL will also receive 777s. (Buenos Aires [EZE] will as well.)

EWR will not receive 777s, especially since the first aircraft, an A340, with the new cabins debuted on the CDG-EWR-CDG route.
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Thu May 13, 2004 12:58 am

Hello everyone,

Just had a conversation with my friend who is Frequence Plus Rouge with AF. He was assigned seat 3A, classe Affaires, on the 1st 777-300ER departure out of JFK on the 10th of May.

He said his ground experience at the airport was very positive, friendly and courteous ground staff. He made it a point to let a ground staff supervisor know, who was grateful because all they ever get are complaints.

Once on board, he presented himself to the Chief Purser as a cabin crew/paying passenger (he is a cabin crew member for a domestic US company). At Air France it is courtesy for fellow cabin crew members to make their presence on board known for safety reasons; never know when another cabin crew member may be useful. In any case, he said the Chief Purser could not have cared less having responded "yes, what do you want me to do?" and that he found the entire crew to be quite cold and distant, very different from the rest of his experiences. At one point during the flight, he went to get a drink at the business class bar and one of the stewards asked him if he was a Tempo (economy) or Business class passenger. My friend was rather offended.

The IFE was more or less non existant. They were able to provide three films but nothing more. For this flight, the IFE was not that important since he was tired and ended up sleeping. There was a Rockwell representative on board.

As for the new business class seat, he says it is actually quite nice and quite comfortable; it is just a matter of finding the right position for yourself. The blankets are different, the company having done away with the seahorse. The blankets have a big AF on one of the corners. He noted that neither the ground staff nor the cabin crew distributed any information sheets regarding the new seats and that no cabin crew offered any passengers any help in discovering the new seats (they are supposed to!).

Meal service was standard night-flight service ... he chose the fish "plat du jour" but said it was only mediocre ... all of the china was the same.

All in all he reports that he had a great trip, with the biggest exception of the cabin crew. When he told me this I was rather disappointed to hear this. For the first commercial departure of the 777-300ER out of JFK, one would have thought they would have been a little more festive / welcoming.
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Thu May 13, 2004 1:20 am

Astrojet,

Concerning the USA destinations who will get the First class service, there is for sure : JFK/LAX/IAH. for IAD and ATL there will be sure 1 flight (on the 2 daily) with a First class, maybe the 2 flights will get the First.

Certainly not : EWR / SFO /ORD/YYZ.
I don't know for MIA, but I don't think so... if the frequency goes to 2XDaily, maybe 1 of the 2 flights will be proposed with the First Class.

MEX : Yes.

In South America : "YES" for EZE, GRU. "NO" for CAY, BOG

I am not sure for GIG / CCS but I doubt they will proposed with the First service.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Thu May 13, 2004 4:40 am

I don't know for MIA, but I don't think so... if the frequency goes to 2XDaily, maybe 1 of the 2 flights will be proposed with the First Class.

Considering that MIA has already been earmarked for the A388, and has proven high CDG yields for both Biz & Leisure travel (particularly due to the fashion industry).... I'd say chances are good that F will remain to at least some extent  Big grin
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Sat May 15, 2004 7:02 pm

The second B777-300ER, F-GSQB, was delivered yesturday May 14th to AF.
 
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RE: AF's B773ER First Commercial Flight

Sat May 15, 2004 9:55 pm

Hi FLYSSC,

As the NRT route with AF B773 will start on the 14th of June (need 2 aircraft on CDG-NRT route), what will be the temporaly route of this second B773 ?
Anyway, I have just booked a return ticket CDG-JFK with B773 on both legs for the end of the month. Will definitly take pictures to post on A.net !

Thanks