musapapaya
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JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 3:35 am

Hello,

Just a quick question - JFK and EWR, which of them is more conviently located?

I have no idea how new york looks like, would someone let me know more about this. cheers

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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 3:43 am

It's faster to get into midtown from Newark. You take the AirTrain to the NJTransit station and take the NJTransit train into New York-Penn Station. I would say it takes no more than 30 minutes.

You may want to try doing a search because I think this thread popped up a few weeks ago and there was some good info in it.  Smile

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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 3:44 am

Looking for tourism? I think ewr is as convienient as jfk but cheaper. good transportation to NYC.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 3:54 am

It depends when you arrive. If you will land during rush hour- the tunnel to NYC can take forever from EWR. I would say JFK is more convenient to the East side of Manhattan. If you are taking public transportation, the air train from EWR is better.
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 10:37 am

Depends where ya trying to go in NYC. Too me, if ya trying to get into downtown manhattan, your best option is EWR. Just take the train from EWR into NJ transit station and a train to Penn Station. From there just use subways or cabs to get around Manhattan.

JFK is good if you trying to get to the east side of Manhattan, Queens and areas along long island. You can take the airtrain from JFK to Long Island RR Jamica Station, and transfer there and take a train to Manhattan, but it takes longer compare to NJ transit ride from EWR.

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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 10:56 am

No comparison! From EWR take the train ( New Jersey Transit is a lot cheaper then Amtrak and takes about the same amount of time). No worries about the tunnel traffic obviously. JFK is far and very, very expensive to NYC. The train from EWR takes you right to the heart of Manhattan. No question on this one! AVOID JFK for New York!
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 11:52 am

As everyone else has said, fly into EWR and take the train. The ride is all of about thirty minutes and costs some where right around $11. Just make sure you use the NJ Transit trains and not the Amtrak. The Amtrak will cost you around $30 one-way. The trains from EWR to NY Penn Station run about every 30min and even more frequently during week day peak hours.
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 12:06 pm

If you want to fly into the premier international gateway of the US, fly into JFK. It is the LHR of the US. As an aviation buff, you should fly into JFK on terms of avation alone....That said, depending on where you are going in NYC, EWR might be easier for you

Where are you going?
Do you prefer a cab or public transportation?

If you answer those two questions, many members of this forum will be able to give you the best directions.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 12:20 pm

"Just a quick question - JFK and EWR, which of them is more conviently located?"

This discussion comes up alot, I like to tell who are visiting NY to fly into one airport and out another. That way you get to see two airports, and decide yourself which one works better for you.

As mentioned for Lower Manhattan (Tribeca, Soho, Battery Park City, Chelsea, World Trade Center, Wall Street) EWR is by far the most conveinent.
When it comes to Mid-Town Manhattan (Times Square, Herald Square etc) EWR and JFK are equal distances (15 miles), however driving times can vary. NJ has excellent highways ( NJ Turnpike) which have very few delays and relatively fast speeds, however all traffic to Manhattan from NJ most go through 3 crossings.

Holland Tunnel (Lower Manhattan)
Lincoln Tunnel (Mid-Town)
George Washington Bridge (Harlem, Bronx, Marble Hill, Columbia University).

The opposite is true for the ride from JFK to Manhattan, there are twice as many crossings from Queens to the Island of Manhattan. However the highways in Queens are terrible, and traffic crawls on some notorious portions like the Van Wyck.
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musapapaya
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 1:29 pm

thanks,

i may want to use public transport...
but its a good idea to fly into one airport and get out of the other. I dont know where i am going though!!!!! hahaha...

maybe there is a chance for me to come in july, but i am not sure yet. may not have enough pennys for the ticket!

cheers everyone! have a good day!
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RE: JFK Vs Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 1:31 pm

i think i was blind, EWR Vs JFK instead of Via as written before...
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 1:37 pm

Newark is BY FAR the worst airport. I would use JFK. Its actually IN New York City....
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 10:23 pm

EWR is the bomb. Very easy to get into NYC from there. JFK can be a real pain in the butt. I have taken 8 trips to NYC so far this year and I prefer EWR over any other NYC airport. Just my opinion Sorry JFK lovers
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Mon May 10, 2004 11:48 pm

First off, this topic comes up once a week and is getting old quickly.  Smile
Second, when you ask what is more convenient, where are you going?

JFK is located in the southern part of Queens, New Yock City, NY. Where as EWR is located just outside of Newark, NJ.

If we are talking Manhattan, you get there from JFK via the Van Wyck Expressway (I-678) and Long Island Expwy (I-495). The total trip is 16 miles to midtown--where all the hotels and tourists sights are. This trip at midnight can be 20 minutes--according to a Seinfeld episode--but at rush hour, and most of the day the Van Wyck is a mess.

From EWR, you can take the Holland Tunnel or Lincoln Tunnel into Manhattan. They both leave you on the West Side of Manhattan 3 blocks away from the action. However, these three blocks can take a very long time. Also, every single day, and I do mean every single day, all year long, no matter what, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels have 30 to 60 minute delays at one point or another to get into or out of the city.
THERE IS NO TRAFFIC SITUATION IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD WORSE THAN THAT! And I emphasize that.

By car, JFK gives you more options because you don't have to cross the Hudson River--just the East River, which from the top of Manhattan down has many more crossing most of which are free.

As for this statement above, "No comparison! From EWR take the train ( New Jersey Transit is a lot cheaper then Amtrak and takes about the same amount of time). No worries about the tunnel traffic obviously. JFK is far and very, very expensive to NYC. The train from EWR takes you right to the heart of Manhattan. No question on this one! AVOID JFK for New York! "
COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
The AirTrain from JFK is a far superior and quicker system than AirTrain Newark.
If you are worried about cost it's a $5 ride on the AirTrain, and a $2 ride on the subway into Manhattan--that $7, no questions asked. By far the cheapest ride from a NY area airport to Manhattan. Total trip to the East side is 60 minutes.
If time is an issue--use the Railroad after the AirTrain. At $7, it's still cheaper than EWR and quicker too.

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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 12:04 am

Just took the train from EWR to downtown Newark this morning. My plane landed at 8:20 this morning, I de-planed by 8:30 and was in my office in downtown Newark before 9:00. If you are going to downtown or midtown NY, figure a 30-40 minute commute from your gate or luggage carousel (if you have bags.) If you do decide to fly into Newark and take NJ Transit, I suggest that you buy your tickets in the terminal at the monorail stop instead of at the NJ transit train station as there is usually a long line to use the automated ticket machines.
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 5:00 am

As a New Yorker...I think EWR is very convenient and functional. HOWEVER, if I had to choose between the two I would choose JFK. It is just a really cool place. Its like picking Yankee Stadium over Shea, They are both equal except Yankee Stadium has something about it that makes it special. The same goes for JFK.

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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 5:05 am

I think they're both equally bad.
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 5:33 am

If you are taking public transport and you are going to Lower Manhattan, take NJ Transit from EWR to Newark Penn Station and then take the Path Train into the city. If you are going to Midtown or Central Park area take NJ Transit all the way to New York Penn Station.
Don't take a taxi or Shuttle service, you'll sit in traffic forever.

If you are coming into JFK take one of the Shuttle van's, it won't be a comfortable ride because of all the potholes, but it's easier than trying to get on the Subway.



 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 6:04 am

JFK is a dumpy airport; but depends on the terminal.
I hate JFK; It's probably my least favorite airport, I mean it has a lot of diversified traffic; but that's about it.
THere's nothing "premier" about JFK.
I prefer Burlington VT to it anyday!
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 3:07 pm

Well as resident of NY and as a Conductor for the Long Island Railroad, I can tell you that it is actually faster and cheaper if you take the AirTrain to Jamaica station and hop on any LIRR train thats going to NY Penn Station. You don't have wait long, in fact on weekdays, the most you may have to wait at Jamaica is at least 10 minutes per train. The ride into Penn is no more than 15 minutes. The ride on AirTrain is about 10 minutes between the airport and Jamaica. $5.00 for the AirTrain and $4.75 off-peak, $6.75-peak if you but the tickets at Jamaica. Buying the ticket on-board will be $3.00 extra from the regular price.

In the past, i have gone to EWR on NJ Transit and AirTrain, and it wasn't that short of a ride from Penn station as people say it is. It took more than 30 minutes to get there. LIRR trains run very frequent even after midnight hours 24 hrs a day. Rememebr that Jamaica is a very important hub for the LIRR and veryone of it's branches with the exception of one runs through it, so you will never wait long for a train to NYC. NJ transit's schedule is less frequent especially on weekends and late nights, and you most likely will have to wait long for each train. Don't even think about driving from either one of these airports or by taxi because it can be a real nightmare especially during rush hours, and don't think that the roads are empty during the weekend either!
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 10:23 pm

AA787,

You got it backwards, it's Newark Airport that has the history and prestige.

Newark Airport was NYC's FIRST(!) airport, Charles Linbergh and Amelia Aerhart were there to open the airport (does anyone even know who was at Idlewilds opening?..).

Newark Airport was the first airport in the World with a Control Tower, Paved Runway, Lighted Runways etc.. It also had the first passenger terminal and first airport hotel (inside the terminal).

Newark Airport also served as a major Army Airfield During WWII, most aircraft heading to the European Thearter were flown to Newark Army Airfield and placed on ships at adjacent Port Newark for the trip to England.

JFK/Idlewild was a very poorly planned airport, only recently has the Port Authority been able to change that but it has cost nearly $9.3 Billion. I would say JFK is more like MSG, it has a prestigious recent history but it was poorly planned and ugly.

Yankee stadium had Ruth, Gerig.

Newark Airport had Earhart and Lindbergh.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Tue May 11, 2004 10:42 pm

Just a footnote..

Yankee Stadium opened in 1923, Newark Airport opened in 1928.

So Newark Airport and Yankee Stadium are "almost" the same age.

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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 5:42 am

EWR more prestigous than JFK, must have been all those Concorde flights at EWR Big grin.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 5:48 am

Concorde is gone, today there's Private Air's all Business class BBJs and A319s from EWR to Munich and Dusseldorf.

And starting this Summer the only nonstop flight from NYC (EWR) to Singapore, aboard Singapore's A340-500.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 6:00 am

I think that EWR is a much nicer airport in terms of facilities. Although it depends on which terminal at JFK you are using, I find it to be an all-around dump.

If you decide to go into EWR, assuming you take a non-stop from London, you have either BA, VS, or CO as your choices. BA and VS fly out of LHR and CO flies out of LGW. BA and VS will arrive into Terminal B at the international arrivals area that all the international pax (except for those from CO) use. It can get extremely chaotic at times, especially when all of the Europe flights arrive. If you decide to take CO, you will arrive into their newly-built, architecturally stunning C-3 concourse of Terminal C (CO's hub), which has its own FIS (immigration/customs) facility. It seems to be much quicker for pax due to the fact that it is used by CO only.

EWR is also extremely pax-friendly on your way out as well, especially in Terminal C (although B has also undergone renovations and is nice as well). CO's terminal has a ton of stores (the retail is operated by Westfield, a company which has quite a few malls around the world) and places to eat.

If you aren't going out of London (your profile doesn't specify where you live), then CO is your prime option for NYC. They have a major hub at EWR, and fly to LGW, MAN, BHX, DUB, SNN, and soon EDI to EWR.

Also, if you want to take a side trip somewhere else in the US, CO flies almost everywhere from EWR. B6 is also a growing option out of JFK if you want to experience their famed service.

As for convenience, EWR used to have an edge over JFK with the AirTrain, but now that both airports have it, I'd say that they're equal as far as efficiency for getting into the city.

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 6:28 am

STT you are so biased toward JFK, and NYC. Bad experience there? BTW, I am going to my first Yankee game on Saturday at the Stadium.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 6:36 am

I would defininetly fly into EWR and take the train.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 6:48 am

Biased heck no, JFK is my second favorite airport. I spent many days as a kid on the roof of the Pan Am terminal.

I've been meaning to get out and see some Yankees games, I was a huge Yankees fan when I was younger but then suffered some kind of mental problem which turned me into a Mets fan.

I've met Lou Penila several times, he used to live near me about 20 years ago. I would see him at my dentist office, he also spoke at my little league dinners.

I've also met the "Boss", and Yogi Beara about 22 years ago. I was flying back from my Grand Parents house near Tampa by myself and I was seated right across the aisle from Yogi and the Boss, to date the meeting it was on a Pan Am L1011-500 TPA-EWR ('82 or '83?).

I met Reggie Jackson down in Ft.Lauderdale in 1992, he was down there during Spring training and staying two doors down from my hotel room at the Harbor Beach Marriott. He was cool, he was constantly playing pick up basketball games behind the Beach Club.

I've also been to the Yogi Beara Museum a few times, it's in Yogi's Home town of Montclair NJ. My Girlfriend is a Grad Student there so I would go up there with her when she had class and hang out at the Museum, about two years ago I was there for the Mac and Sid show which was live at the Yogi Beara Museum.

I got to meet Sid, Mac, and got to see up close but didn't get a chance to talk to Yogi (again) Willie Randolph and a couple other guys Im forgetting.

I used to go to alot of Yankees games, so I might have to go to some again. Also Im going to go to some Mets vs Phillies games down in Philly, they have that new stadium which I anxious to see.
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RE: JFK Via Newark

Wed May 12, 2004 5:09 pm

Cory6188

'They have a major hub at EWR, and fly to LGW, MAN, BHX, DUB, SNN, and soon EDI to EWR'

CO have also had a service to GLA for about 5 years now.

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