Cory6188
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High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 10:06 am

My family and I are planning our vacation for the spring of next year (we own a timeshare and have to plan far in advance), and we were considering going to either St. John in the US Virgin Islands or Maui. I was looking up pricing on CO (of course!) on their website, and everything is extremely expensive.

For March 26-April 2, 2005, EWR-STT is showing up at $970.50, and EWR-OGG (via IAH) is pricing at $2,500 (!). STT is an H fare, and OGG is full Y. Why is CO holding these flights at such high fares? I would hope to never fly anything but CO, but when AA is $498 for EWR-STT (via SJU) and $796 for LGA-OGG (via ORD), it is very hard to wait for CO and hope that we don't get shut out of any flights at all.

Could anyone explain why CO is refraining from releasing seats in the lower buckets? Is there any sort of timeline as to how Revenue Management does this? I'm not asking for Q seats, but something like in the K or B range wouldn't be too bad. CO must be losing a lot of business considering that they are extremely high compared to everyone else.

My parents are not too keen on LCC's either, so I don't think that ATA would be an option to OGG.
 
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 10:21 am

Being a travel agent I can tell you that most major discounts are not posted into the system more than 6 months out. I would start checking for March 2005 in late October or early November. Remember, you might want to book a "package deal" which will in most cases five you the best airfare. Some people book packages to get the best airfare with the lowest price hotel possible and don't even stay at the hotel.
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 10:25 am

Fares change daily in some markets. I watched DTW-PHX go from $249 to $209 to $349 in four days for the SAME flights on the SAME days. Travel was in late July on NW or CO. Keep watching...
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rojo
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 10:33 am

Ahh, yield management and the algorithms, always playing with the discount seat allocation...

Yes, fare availability is done through yield management, so you can see different fares available one day, then unavailable and then available once more.
 
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 10:41 am

Fares this far out are going to be expensive because the discounted fares aren't uploaded until 4-6 months in advance. I'd try then.
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 11:11 am

Is this 4-6 month time frame a common practice of U.S. airlines or is it something that all airlines around the world do? I ask because I wonder what would be the best time of the year to find cheap fares for flights from MEX to (i) Europe in the summer, and (ii) GRU for the New Year's Eve dates. Thanks.
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Cory6188
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 11:28 am

So if the discount fares are loaded 4-6 months in advance, why are AA and everyone else substantially cheaper than CO?
 
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 11:43 am

In my experience, Conti is always one of the more expensive airlines. They are my preferred carrier too, but AA is almost always cheaper.

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rojo
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RE: High Fares On CO

Mon May 10, 2004 12:03 pm

Is this 4-6 month time frame a common practice of U.S. airlines or is it something that all airlines around the world do? I ask because I wonder what would be the best time of the year to find cheap fares for flights from MEX to (i) Europe in the summer, and (ii) GRU for the New Year's Eve dates. Thanks.

Cheap fares depend on the route and how airlines see demand for those flights in a particular season... Based on experience, the best time to get cheap fares for Mexico to Europe in the summer is around March and April. Actually AA had very good fares to Europe from MEX in April. My brother is coming to visit me and he got a Circle Trip with an open jaw and a stop over in CMH for $702 USD tax included. His route is: MEX-ORD-CMH-BOS-CDG / MAD-MIA-MEX

Mexico to SouthAmerica is a different story, since there is not too much competition, so fares are high all year. During December/January (summer season) airlines restrict cheap discounted fares because they know they will be able to fill the airplanes without them. A possibility is LB, but you could still try to book around September/October...

So if the discount fares are loaded 4-6 months in advance, why are AA and everyone else substantially cheaper than CO?

Because each airlines has a different yield management system and a different pricing policy, so CO may only give you Y or H fares today because that is all they release (it is normal for CO to do this, it has happened to me on the MEX-EWR route for the December season) and AA could have released more inventory to try to take the passengers today at medium high fares...

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