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Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Tue May 11, 2004 5:14 am


For the mid-year high season, the industry sees some minor changes.


AVIANCA

The airline has done a few modifications in its operations from their hub in BOG, all with the sole purpose of providing a better service for their customers.

After an April full of surprises for their customers, like double miles on all domestic flights and 2 for the price of 1 in Business Class domestically, from now on, the company will provide free Internet access from their own terminal in BOG, in specific points, to give passengers better options.

They have also modified the list of destiantions which are served from their terminal, and which from the general domestic terminal. So, Avianca will now serve, from their terminal in BOG, the following destinations:

Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, Cartagena, Pereira, Barrancabermeja, Bucaramanga*, Armenia*, Manizales*, and Pasto*.

The rest of the route network will continue to be operated by the other terminals, including destinations like San Andrés, Santa Marta, and all international flights.

At the same time, the company has started charter flights to the Margarita Islands.

Regarding the CH-11 issue, at the end of the month we will have news aout it.

More info on http://www.avianca.com/

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AEROREPUBLICA

The company, always interested in suporting Colombian tourism, will continue with their intense operation to San Andrés from the most important cities in Colombia.

According to the press, the company will also start operating the daily MDE-CTG-MDE route in about a month, as a complement to their current twice daily BOG-CTG-BOG and daily nonstop CLO-CTG-CLO.

The company, just like Avianca, has started international services with the launch of their mid-year charter flights to Margarita Island, that will operate all throughout the high season.

As a side note, they have also redisigned their website. Check it out !.

http://www.aerorepublica.com.co/

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All regional airlines, keep operating without major changes.

AIRES, for instance, as disussed already, is its process of rebovation. They just presented their new livery a couple of weeks ago and re-designed its website. http://www.aires.com.co/

West Caribbean Airways finished the construction of their new hangar in Medellin, their hometown. They are also opting for simplifying their imagine and name, opting for just plain WEST instead of the whole name.



Any comments or corrections are certainly welcomed.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Tue May 11, 2004 6:27 am

Hi Southamerica

Thank you very much for the info. It's nice to see that the airlines industry in Colombia are continuing growing.

Have any update news about Avianca - Alianza Summa situation?

Kind regards
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Tue May 11, 2004 8:37 am

Have any update news about Avianca - Alianza Summa situation?

I believe that the time that Avianca has to present their definite re-structuration plan and investor elapses by the end of this month. You have to take into account that the judge himself said that the time could be extended as many times he wanted/needed. Let's wait and see.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 12, 2004 12:32 pm

As a side note...

AVIANCA will increase its operations on certain routes, specially to the US.

The BOG-MIA-BOG flight goes from 1x daily nonstop 767-200 to an additional daily nonstop flight operated by a 757.

Equally, the CTG-MIA-CTG route goes from 2 x week MD-83 service, to a daily MD-83.

So the schedule for the summer season in the Colombia-Miami market for AVIANCA will be like this.


AV004 BOG-MIA 0700-1140 752 daily (summer flight only)
AV006 BOG-MIA 1050-1530 762 daily (year-round)
AV030 MDE-MIA 1010-1420 752 daily (year-round)
AV038 CLO-MIA 1055-1525 752 daily (year-round)
AV002 BAQ-MIA 0945-1330 M83 daily (year-round)
AV034 CTG-MIA 0845-1230 M83 daily (5 additional weekly services)

AV also offers one daily nonstop flight in the BOG-FLL route. Operated normally with a 752.

The JFK services remain untouched.
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On the domestic horizon, some flights see changes too.

BOG-ADZ(San Andres Is.)-BOG goes from 1x daily MD83 to 2x daily MD-83 during the summer season.

MDE-CTG-MDE goes from 1x daily F50 to 3x daily F50.

MDE-SMR-MDE goes from 1x daily F50 to 2x daily F50.

Most of the shuttle services between the most important cities remain unchanged.



Again, comments and corrections are truly welcomed.



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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 13, 2004 4:06 am

Hi SOUTHMAERICA!

Thanks for the information. I know that ACES is gone. What about SAM? Is AV the only member of Summa?

Do you know something about of a possible future agreement between CM and AV? Any news about it?

Once again, thanks.
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 13, 2004 4:40 am


TACA,

What about SAM?

Sam is still flying...


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As you can see, they are pics taken just a couple of months ago. SAM, is something like the "low-cost & leisure" branch of Avianca, hence the almost identical livery. They operate a fleet of 5 F50s and 2 MD83s, in one-class configuration (AV's MD83s offer two-class config.)

These are the routes covered by SAM, although you can perfectly find their aircraft doing flights normally operated by Avianca once in a while.

BOG-CUC(Cucuta)-BOG
BOG-BGA(Bucaramanga)-BOG**
BOG-CTG-BOG**
BOG-VUP(Valledupar)-RCH(Rioacha)-BOG
BOG-ADZ(San Andrés Is.)-BOG
MDE-CTG-MDE
MDE-BAQ-MDE
MDE-SMR(Santa Marta)-MDE
MDE-CLO-MDE**
CLO-MDE-CLO
CLO-PSO(Pasto)-CLO
CLO-TCO(Tumaco)-CLO

That's about it. Maybe I missed one or two.


Is AV the only member of Summa?

Besides the brand, I don't even really know if Summa actually exists. I wouldn't make sense either because it mainly reoresented the alliance between ACES and Avianca. Anyway, after ACES shut down operations, they decided to keep the brand and logo until another decision is taken.


Do you know something about of a possible future agreement between CM and AV? Any news about it?

At the end of the month we'll see what happens. CO via CM presented their offer to inject some cash into Avianca under certain conditions, but nothing is definite yet.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 13, 2004 10:09 am

Enclosed you will find the operating fleet for SAM.

The future of MM is very uncertain after the dissolution of the disastrous alliance of AV, MM, and VX; "Alianza Summa" that started on May 20, 2002; and only lasted 15 months till it ended on August 21, 2003 after Aces defaulted.

SAM is a fully owned subsidiary of Avianca before and after the alliance, and now that Alianza Summa is gone; both airlines have returned to their original names.

The airplanes in SAM´s fleet are all leased by Avianca and are operated by SAM crews with permission and special operating permits negotiated from the leasing companies.

The fleet listed below was originally received and operated by AV.

Fokker-50
Reg, c/n, f/n, Powered by

  1. PH-AVJ, 20285, 185, 2 PWC PW127B

  2. PH-LXW, 20266, 166, 2 PWC PW127B

  3. PH-MXJ, 20288, 188, 2 PWC PW127B

  4. PH-MXT, 20300, 200, 2 PWC PW127B


  5. MD-83
    Reg, c/n, f/n, Powered by
  6. EI-CBS, 49942, 1799, 2 PW JT8D-219

  7. EI-CDY, 49948, 1905, 2 PW JT8D-219



    1. If anybody wants more complete details and listings on the fleets of AV, MM and Vx let me know, I will be glad to send you the information by email.

      The main creditors group of AV´s chapter 11 committee are working together, so far both offering groups CO/CM and Sinergy of Brazil are discussing and showing their financial, operating and long term restructuring plans for the airline, to see who gets to keep the company after judge Alan Gropper and the creditors select the best deal for AV´s future; we hope to see results this upcoming May 30. or otherwise there might be another extension of time to clarify proceedings.


      Regards:
      AV757









      [Edited 2004-05-13 03:13:14]
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 13, 2004 10:18 am


AV757,

Thanks a lot skipper for your input to the thread.


and now that Alianza Summa is gone; both airlines have returned to their original names.

Didn't the airlines agree from the beginning to conserve their respective names, and have separate brand to have in common (summa)? Please correct me if I'm wrong.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 13, 2004 10:41 pm

The original "alianza Summa" was supposed to be an airline holding company to exploit and administrate under one roof the three differnt products, the three airlines were to conserve their respective brand names and identities and were to sell to the flying customer a customized product using all three airlines to satisfy all possible options for his travelling needs within a single travel package plan by Summa.

This included a single common reservation system, code sharing with the three airlines and one common joint venture for the Santodomingo Group 50%, and the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation the other 50%.

Avianca the flag carrier of Colombia with the national shuttle flights, the medium to long haul direct flight operations from the main cities of Colombia; and the majority of the international flights.

Aces was the option in the middle handling the majority of the short regional to medium haul flights from the secondary cities, with the direct international flights from these and as a feeder operation within Colombia.

SAM was to operate as the low cost carrier option to fill in the gap as a main line feeder for both AV and VX here in Colombia; to also cover all the charter operations and all the special priced all inclusive vacation programs within Colombia and San Andres Island.

 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 13, 2004 11:15 pm

"This included a single common reservation system, code sharing with the three airlines and one common joint venture for the Santodomingo Group 50%, and the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation the other 50%."

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Hi Captain:

One question: Is the joint venture between Brazilian Sinergy and the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation?


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Sorry, another one.

Which is going to be the possible participation of CM (or CO) (or both) in AV, if the Judge approve it? This may sound a silly one, but what is going to be in your personal opinion the benefits for CM or CO?

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Thanks.
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 1:23 am

Yes the joint venture of the Brazilian Sinergy Group is that they will have 75%, and the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation 25% of AV for the next three years. After that time they can sell off or continue in the alliance. The Santodomingo group wants to sell off all their assets and participation in AV.

In the Continental/Copa deal they want a complete ownership and control of AV.

The best offer and possibility of survival for AV in the long run would be CO/CM, from news given by “ACDAC” or the Colombian Airline Pilots Association; their offer and guarantees for the financial negotiations, debt payment plans (including the pilots pensions), and restructuring plans of the company this is the better offer so far.

Logistically speaking, the BOG and PTY hubs very well situated in the middle of the Americas, they are only one hour flying time from each other, the resulting combination of services possible and the route structure of AV and CM can be optimized and rationalized so both can be feeders to each other and complement each other to improve and open new gateways and better connecting flights. It also makes it possible to offer a broad choice of destinations, with convenient itineraries and excellent connection times, a reduced total flight time on our network, and minimum on-ground delays. The use of shared terminals and services will also guarantee a smooth passenger handling during connecting flights, and routing of baggage through our hubs.
Fleet wise both AV and CM with CO have commonality and a good working experience, since we all operate Boeing fleets within our route structures. Also in the future the rationalization of our fleets will bring enhanced operational economics for the companies.

In my personal opinion if this company is to survive, it will be mandatory to change the complete administration scheme of the company if we want to see real results from any restructuring project of the airline, the actual Summa administration (ex Aces) of the company right now backed up by the influence of the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation is to me the most determining factor in getting the company Avianca Inc. into chapter 11, and the defaulting of VX; under Sinergy they want to keep this scheme.

Under chapter 11 proceedings having its costs managed and approved by the creditors committee has made AV a viable and productive airline during the last year of operations. The operational results on the balance sheet of last year, show great expectations and good economic results for this year also.

I also think that here in South and Central America right now the three main aviation groups that show a promise and are making good progress are:

LAN group in South America conformed by LA, LP, LU, XL and 4M.

TACA group in Central America TA, LR, TPU

CONTINENTAL/COPA in the middle with AV can produce a very competitive group.

Regards:
AV757




 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 2:30 am

Thank you so much Captain!

I appreciate so much for the time you took answering me.

Once again, thanks.

Regards,


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 4:11 am

Taca you are more than welcome, this is what Airliners.net is about; to find and see all points of view on this beautiful subject of aviation.

Regards,
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 7:33 am


Indeed, thanks a lot skip for the info.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 8:06 am

Thank's all for you complete answer to this topic...

I'm not sure but I was thinking that the 2 MD-83 of SAM only fly on ADZ route. All time I flow SDZ-BOG it was with SAM... One time only BOG-ADZ we change plane for a MD-80 of Avianca because SAM EI-CBS a/c have some problem.

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 8:20 am

YULtoPEI:

No, SAM MD83s operates some other routes that do not involve ADZ, back in 2000 I flew on EI-CBS from MTR (Monteria) to BOG and they operate those MD-83 to Cucuta, Valledupar, Riohacha....

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 8:32 am

"We operate all Boeing fleets"

As far as I know, Fokker is not a brand of Boeing.

Before Summa was "created" we had this beautiful view in the Colombian skies.

* Aces 320
* Aces ATR-42
* Aces DHC Twin Otter
* Avianca 757
* Avianca 767
* Avianca MD 83
* Avianca Fokker 50
* SAM Avro RJ 100

After Alianza Summa "failed" what do we have?
A boring single fleet not worth to boast about.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 10:25 am

"We operate all Boeing fleets"

I´m not implying that there are no other types in the fleet, but the infrastructure of the three companies is basically and proceduraly aligned to Boeing school of operation. But here in Colombia the A320´s and the ATR-300´s had severe limitations with the average passenger baggage loads due to the historically large volume and small capacity of their cargo holds compared with the B757-200´s and the F50´s. Also the operating cost of the leases was extremely high and was non negotiable by Debis and Watermark which were the leasing companies for the airplanes.

For the monthly lease price of two A320´s we can rent three B757´s or four MD-83´s; and for one ATR we can rent three F50´s.

To make you happy the reliability of the A320´s and the ATR´s was very good and they are excellent and well built and designed airplanes but the Boeings, MD83´s, and Fokker 50´s are better workhorses, and since this a business the important fact is that they produce better cash revenue. Customer service and representation by the way is much better for Boeing than Airbus here in Colombia.

Also in Alianza Summa operation the B757-200´s have a much better payload capacity, and are better revenue producers from high altitude, high temperature airports as BOG, RNG, and UIO. They allow some cargo to be carried, the A320 only had capacity just for the luggage.


Here is a list of the aircraft types that were flown by the now defunct ACES for your information:
A320´s, B727-100/200´s, ATR42-300/500´s, DH-6-300´s, DH-114 Heron 2D (Saunders ST-27´s), F.28-1000´s,
FH-227B´s, F-27J´s and F-27F´s.
If you want the complete historical listing with registrations nad serial numbers, let me know and I shall gladly e-mail it to you.

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 14, 2004 12:48 pm

so ... does anyone know if Continental's bid for Avianca is going to be accepted? and if so what their plans are for Avianca as well as Copa?

Personally I think it would be a great fit ... aircraft, experience with Latin America, etc ... Avianca/Copa/Continental would be one hell of a partnership!

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sat May 15, 2004 12:00 am

Gordon Werner

A Judge's decision is expected is this regard by the end of May.
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 5:09 am

Answering ACES320´s reply number 15:

To start out, I was one of the few people here at AV that had a vote of confidence and approval for the creation of "Alianza Summa", since there was a lot of resistance from the employees of all three companies.
I have worked for 25 years now at AV, in the Flight Engineering Operations department and flying as a captain of the Boeing 757/767.

It is very sad to see a 31 year product that managed to become a house hold word here in Colombia go down the drain and disappear like Aces did. And the worst part to actually manipulate and use public media to convince the Colombian public and employees of a fake image of a reality that was not actually occurring within the company with deceitful misinformation.

If we took the best of the three airlines that made up Alianza Summa; AV 84 years, MM 57 years and VX 31 years. The total amount is 171 years of aeronautical experience under one roof. Aces was number one in passenger service here in Colombia with their slogan "por el respeto", no doubt about that; Avianca had technologically and operationally a more advanced engineering, maintenance, flight training, reservations, world wide office infrastructure and facilities under its roof in place; and Sam even though a subsidiary of AV had its goodwill and dedicated faithful followers.

It is a shame that what resulted was the proliferation of the worst defects and faults of the three airlines under the Aces management team, out of nine vice presidencies only two; flight and ground operations were left to Avianca making it a minority group when it came to vote on major operational and logistical decisions.

So today Aces is dead and gone, Avianca and Sam are hanging on a thin thread for survival. And the Alianza Summa finally buried after 2 years has left 3800 jobless.

My personal opinion was then; if we could have capitalized all the good operational aspects and benefits of all three airlines experiences with good common sense; the result would have been something to be proud of and ponder about here in Colombia and the Latin American aviation industry.

The original "Alianza Summa" was supposed to be an airline holding company to exploit and administrate under one roof the three different products, the three airlines were to conserve their respective brand names and identities and were to sell to the flying customer a customized product using all three airlines to satisfy all possible options for their traveling needs within a single travel package plan by Summa.

This included a single common reservation system, code sharing within the three airlines and the operational plan for the three was to be the following:

Avianca as the flag carrier of Colombia with the national shuttle flights, the medium to long haul direct flight operations within the Americas and Europe from the main cities of Colombia; and the majority of the international flights.

Aces was the option in the middle keeping its route structure and handling the majority of the short regional to medium haul and direct flights from the secondary cities, with their direct established international flights from these and as a feeder operation within Colombia for AV and MM.

SAM was to operate as the low cost carrier option to fill in the gap as a main line feeder for both AV and VX here in Colombia; to also cover all the charter operations, special low fare vacation plans and the entire special priced all inclusive vacation programs within Colombia and San Andres Island.

But that plan never got of the ground.

That is true that Avianca had economic problems and was not in the best of shape before Alianza Summa started, but it is also common knowledge now that Aces was in real dire straits before the initiation of the Alianza Summa and if it had not joined up to the alliance, it would have defaulted on June of 2002 according to their economic balance sheet of operations that was finally made public after it defaulted last year.

Also to make matters worse during the alliance, between December 2002 and January of 2003 all of Avianca´s main HARD cash (U.S. Dollars) producing routes were transferred to Aces by management to try to get their economic losses under control, CLO-MIA-CLO, MDE-MIA-MDE, BAQ-MIA-BAQ, CTG-MIA-CTG, BOG-MIA-BOG except for one flight operated by AV, were all operated by Aces A320´s. This created the cash flow that reduction at Avianca finally taking the company into chapter 11; and the costs of Aces´s operation were absorbed by Avianca until last march 21, 2003 when Avianca Inc. in NY entered Chapter 11 proceedings when the creditors took control and started managing the cash expenditure of expenses. Aces could not get any more ready cash or financial aid from AV and MM which caused its final blow and caused its default and going out of service on august 20, 2003 after only 15 months of Alianza Summa.

Avianca with its chapter 11 proceedings managed to renegotiate and lower its lease prices to almost a third less than before. Aces after many negotiations with the lessor companies on its part could not resolve a deal and renegotiate and lower their lease prices on the A320´s and ATR´s. Leaving very little space for survival and salvation of the company.

To give a real insight on the truth, reliability of the A320´s and the ATR´s was very good, both are from an operational standpoint, are excellent and well built and designed airplanes, they both served their purpose and were well liked by their passengers and their crews, including me. But the Boeing’s, MD83´s, and Fokker 50´s are much better workhorses and are much better adapted for this type of airline operation here; and since this is a business, and if it is to survive it has to produce good cash revenue.

Customer service and representation by the way is much better for Boeing than Airbus products here in Colombia. The A320´s and the ATR42-300´s had severe limitations with the average passenger baggage loads due to the historically large bulk volume and small capacity of their cargo holds compared with the B757-200´s and the F50´s. Also the operating cost of the leases was extremely high and was non negotiable by Debis and Watermark which were the leasing companies for the airplanes.

With the monthly lease prices of aircraft that Aces had from Debis and Watermark; for the lease price of two A320´s we can lease three B757´s or four MD-83´s; and for one ATR we can lease three F50´s.

Another major weakness the ATR´s and A320´s had was their performance restrictions and limitations at high altitude and hot temperature airports.

Also in Alianza Summa operation the B757-200´s have a much better payload capacity, and are better revenue producers from high altitude, high temperature airports as BOG, RNG, and UIO. They allow some cargo to be carried; the A320 only had capacity just for the luggage.

Here is a list of the aircraft types that were flown by the now defunct ACES for your information:
A320´s, B727-100/200´s, ATR42-300/500´s, DH-6-300´s, DH-114 Heron 2D (Saunders ST-27´s), F.28-1000´s,
FH-227B´s, F-27J´s and F-27F´s.
If you want the complete historical listing with registrations and serial numbers, let me know and I shall gladly e-mail it to you.

The main creditors group of AV´s chapter 11 committee is working together, so far with both offering groups for the company which are CO/CM and Sinergy of Brazil. They are discussing and showing their financial, operating and long term guarantees and restructuring plans for the airline, to see who gets to keep the company after Judge Alan Gropper and the creditors select the best deal for AV´s future; we hope to see results this upcoming May 30. or otherwise there might be another extension of time to clarify these proceedings.

The joint venture offer of the Brazilian Sinergy Group which has a small operational airline in Brazil; Ocean Air that operate some Fokker 50’s; is that they will have 75%, and the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation 25% of AV for the next three years. They want to keep the same administration policies for the mean time, and after three years time, they have the option to sell off or continue with their 25% in the alliance. The Santodomingo group wants to sell off all of their assets and participation in AV.

In the Continental/Copa deal they want a complete ownership and control of AV.

The best offer so far and the possibility of survival for AV in the long run would be CO/CM, they have large airline management experience and are knowledgeable of Latin American aviation. From news given by “ACDAC” or the Colombian Airline Pilots Association; their offer and guarantees for the financial negotiations, debt payment plans (including the pilots pensions), and restructuring plans, with a new administration of the company has so far been the better offer.

Logistically speaking, the BOG and PTY hubs very well situated in the middle of the Americas, they are only one hour flying time from each other, the resulting combination of services possible and the route structure of AV and CM can be optimized and rationalized so both can be feeders to each other and complement each other to improve and open new gateways and better connecting flights. It also makes it possible to offer a broader choice of destinations, with convenient itineraries and excellent connection times, a reduced total waiting time between connections and better usage of our network for the passengers to get to their destinations quicker, and minimum on-ground delays. The use of shared terminals and services will also guarantee a smooth passenger handling during connecting flights, and routing of baggage through our hubs.
Fleet wise both AV and CM with CO have commonality and a good working experience, since we all operate Boeing fleets within our route structures. Also in the future the rationalization of our fleets will bring enhanced operational economics for the companies.

In my personal opinion if this company is to survive, it will be mandatory to change the complete administration scheme of the company if we want to see real results from any restructuring project of the airline, the actual Summa administration (ex Aces) of the company right now backed up by the influence of the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation is to me the most determining factor in getting the company Avianca Inc. into chapter 11, and the defaulting of VX; under Sinergy they want to keep this scheme.

Under chapter 11 proceedings having all costs managed and approved by the creditors committee in NY has made AV a viable and productive airline during the last year of operations. The operational results on the economic balance sheet of last year, shows and promises great expectations and good economic results for this year also. Taking into account that petroleum prices are rising.

Now for some good and fresh news, last may 20 the shareholders had an emergency meeting and decided it was time to finally bury Alianza Summa for good, they finally changed all of the board of directors for Avianca getting rid of all the participating members of the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation and nominating a whole new board to create a much better work ambience for the negotiation process of the chapter 11 procedures in NY. I hope this means we are actually going to get some major changes in the administration policies of the company and maybe a better hope for a positive negotiation in the near by future, and maybe actually leave chapter 11 to become a sound airline making an operational profit.

This also means that Avianca Colombia, and Sam become once again the original airlines they used to be.

I also think that here in South and Central America right now the three main aviation groups that show a promise and strong survivability, and are making good progress are:

LAN group in South America conformed by LA, LP, LU, XL and 4M.

TACA group in Central America TA, LR, TPU

CONTINENTAL/COPA in the middle with AV can produce a very competitive group.

Best regards:
AV757

 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 5:43 am

Thank you for such informative news, AV757.

I know this is trivial, but is there a plan to repaint the planes... again? Or do you think that we will be waiting to see a new design for when they are painted in white and grey, have a cafe penstripe, have "Avianca" in new letters, and with a blue tail and a new globe?  Big grin
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 6:11 am

For now there is no definite plan on a new look or livery to paint the airplanes, we hope that a new administration comes soon to decide on that issue. As of May 20, the white circle that said “Alianza Summa” will be removed from our airplanes only keeping the Avianca Colombia and Sam Colombia names on the fuselages of our airplanes. It’s a shame that we still can’t get our Condor back on our tails to get rid of the ugly butterfly.

On my personal wish list, I would like to go back to our old retro-look livery for our fleet to celebrate our 85 years of continuous operation from December 5, 1919; making us the oldest airline still in operation in the Americas and the second oldest in the world after KLM founded on Oct of 1919.

A lot of people want to see the red and white livery once more.

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 6:57 am

Going for the copy paste technique I have some comments on your opinion AV757.
1) I agree with you that Aces was number one in passenger service.
2) I disagree with you in calling Madrid, New York and Miami Avianca’s infrastructure as Worldwide Offices. I feel proud of AV but having offices in US and Spain doesn't make it a worldwide airline.
3) I agree that under Summa worst defects and faults proliferated, but disagree saying that it was on behalf of Aces' management team.

4) The original "Alianza Summa" was supposed to be an airline holding company to exploit and administrate under one roof the three different products, the three airlines were to conserve their respective brand names and identities and were to sell to the flying customer a customized product using all three airlines to satisfy all possible options for their travelling needs within a single travel package plan by Summa. I completely disagree with that and I include my reply to another thread.

Aces VX was the best airline Colombia ever had, and if it failed, was under the interests of Avianca AV. That's an unofficial public truth.

No point in discussing that current Avianca administration is the former Aces' one, that's also true. The best idea Avianca's shareholders figured out to rescue their struggling company (Read Julio Mario Santodomingo) was to call all the managers of their best competitor, namely Aces.

The plan was simple. "Well if you sink your company (Aces), you can have the control of mine (The biggest one in Colombia, Avianca) and try to make it up and sell it once is working on properly; you will manage a company threefold bigger than yours and be virtually the most important executive on the sector. If you fail you will still have a generous pension bonus scheme for you and your managers team; but if you success, you will have a stake in the final earnings, will be leading one of the best airlines in Latin America and if you are even more lucky, you will be named the CEO of the new company owned by a foreign airline and will belong to one of the biggest World Airline alliances (Namely, Sky team).

A guy like Juan Emilio Posada couldn't refuse an offer like that, I wouldn't.

Now let's consider the second scenario. Aces' administration and shareholders refuse to create this fake alliance called Summa in 2002. Under the steer of the worst lack of management during decades Avianca finally goes bankrupt. The remaining assets are sold to the best offer. Aces also it's at stake but being now the biggest Colombian airline, but with few bargaining power in the international air transport market. So it has two options, make a bid on Avianca debris or being sold to a bigger incumbent in the market."

If Aces is gone and Avianca is in chapter 11 it's not because of Aces' management team, it's because during years Avianca's shareholders have dismissed make a real commitment to the Airline and are more keen to support their beer businesses rather than air transport. On the other hand the Colombian coffee Growers didn't have other option either, for them it was gaining some or losing all.


Please check I previous information I posted on another forum on this issue
http://lanota.com.co/foro/read.php?f=66&i=2144&t=2144



5) The A320´s and the ATR42-300´s had severe limitations with the average passenger baggage loads due to the historically large bulk volume and small capacity of their cargo holds compared with the B757-200´s and the F50´s.

Again I have to disagree. The ATR42-300 were upgraded to the ATR42-500 version and then this limitations disappeared. As to the 320 we dispatched these airplanes in "our base" at Pereira PEI and we never had any trouble with baggage loads for the purpose they had. Indeed, if you are to compare them to the MD 83 the A320 it's a lighter aircraft thus allowing more cargo in the fuselage and lower parking costs. But if you compare them with the 757 as you do, then obviously you have more range, payload, passenger seating etc, but in that case you should better compare the 757 with the A321 and yet this would be an unfair comparison. The 757 it's an aircraft in an unique category and doesn't belong to a family as the 320. Despite it's commonality with the 767, stilll it's a different kind of aircraft with very particular characteristics and due to lack of orders its production ceased few months ago.

6) Watermark was an Aces’ wholly owned subsidiary established in Panama. If Aces didn’t get any arrangement to the leasing terms it’s because they didn’t want it themselves. As you can see Watermark is also gone now.

7) Why to change the Avianca’s administration as everything it has been developing as "planned" from the beginning by the shareholders? Regarding to the board change last 20th May was on grounds of legal interests and Mr. Posada is still the CEO of Avianca.

About the second airline in the world may be these are good news because eventually AV is to become the oldest operating airline in the world since the oldest, KLM soon will disappear under the steering of Air France… It reminds me of what happened to Aces under the control of AV.

Finally I hope the best for Avianca. Despite history and tradition it’s worth nothing in the business world Colombia deserves having a solid airline. I wish the best for Avianca and it's acquisition by Continental/Copa.
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 12:20 pm

"the actual Summa administration (ex Aces) of the company right now backed up by the influence of the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation is to me the most determining factor in getting the company Avianca Inc. into chapter 11, and the defaulting of VX"

If this statement is true, why is Juan Emilio Posada still leading Avianca/Sam?

"Aces was in real dire straits before the initiation of the Alianza Summa and if it had not joined up to the alliance, it would have defaulted on June of 2002 according to their economic balance sheet of operations that was finally made public after it defaulted last year."

According to the news when Aces went under, minor shareholders were shown positive balance sheets of the company before the debacle. If your statement is true, there was clearly wrong doing by management, and so, why hasn't Posada been FIRED?, why hasn't he been held accountable of all that mess?

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 12:47 pm

I agree with SoAmSky and with AV757, I think Juan Emilio Posada will be remembered here in Colombia as our local Frank Lorenzo. By the way, just a joke to have som fun: "what did Juan Emilio Posada's parents said to him every time when he was a child?" -"No lo toques que lo quiebras" (Don´t touch that, you'll break it"  Smile

(Sorry, looks like the joke only makes sense in Spanish language)

Seriously, I hope the red livery will come back, I wasn´t at all against the butterfly but....red is better.

Juan
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 7:21 pm

SoAmSky

He hasn't been fired because so far, he has done what he's supposed to do  Big grin

Do you see what I mean?

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 11:48 pm

That is right, Juan Emilio Posada has done his job perfectly, he has basically followed the script all the way to the fine print for the part he was hired to play within the company.

Going back to ACES320´s reply:

Juan Emilio Posada is CEO of Alianza Summa until its final liquidation, for Avianca and handling all of Avianca´s chapter 11 proceedings as the legal representavive in charge is Roberto Junguito.

2) I disagree with you in calling Madrid, New York and Miami Avianca’s infrastructure as Worldwide Offices. I feel proud of AV but having offices in US and Spain doesn't make it a worldwide airline.

I hate to dissapoint you but Avianca in its better days up to the mid 90's had 48 offices worldwide operated by the airline itself.

5) The A320´s and the ATR42-300´s had severe limitations with the average passenger baggage loads due to the historically large bulk volume and small capacity of their cargo holds compared with the B757-200´s and the F50´s.

Yes, the ATR42-500´s with the larger PWC PW127E engines, had a MTOGW of 41,000 lbs at sea level and 48 pax capacity did not suffer from performance limitations at high altitude, high temperature airports, but their cargo hold still was relatively small and after updating the actual passenger weight from Aces's 69kg to a more realistic Alianza Summa's 78kg per passenger operating weight here at the Engineering Department; the airplane with full passenger loads was penalized and had very little weight capacity left for cargo payload.

And the ATR42-300's had the PWC PW121 engines, had a MTOGW of 36,800 lbs at sea level and a 47 pax capacity. Making it even more critical to carrying aditional payload with a full passenger loads.

It is true that Juan Emilio Posada 3 days before the termination of Aces showed the small investor groups of the company some economic balance sheets showing how well off, and the economic solidity of the airline; but those turned out to be unreal.

AV757
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Wed May 26, 2004 11:59 pm

Hi ACES320, if you will, explain something to me I don't quite understand.

AV757 states that Debis and Watermark were Aces aircraft lessors. You state: "Watermark was an Aces’ wholly owned subsidiary established in Panama".
Question is: did Watermark own the planes that were leased to Aces? Did Watermark lease the planes to re-lease them to Aces?

If the airbuses were indeed making Aces to shed blood ink, how feasible would a change of equipment have been? I know about training crew cost and all that, that's why I’m saying “feasible”.

Regards
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 27, 2004 8:43 am

Two replies in one answer

AV757. Avianca had a several branches spread all around the world. Just come to my mind Rome, Frankfurt, Paris, London, Los Angeles, Havana, just to name but a few, all of them gone; moreover New York, Miami, and Madrid. We are talking about what was offered during the creation of the alliance. Aces' service, that's alright, Avianca's reservation system, absolutely true, but currently and so far all these worlwide offices were gone by the time of the alliance. The alliance is the subject of your topic and by that time only these few international offices were left. It's like saying that Avianca would provide the alliance with the 747 since they were gone in 1992. We are talking about current times and not the memorable past. However, even in Avianca's best times there is no point in comparing with really worldwide infrastructures, say BA's or Emirates'.

SoAmSky. Watermark was an Aces' wholly owned subsidiary established in Panama of course because of the flexible taxation rules in the free trade zone. Read creative accounting. The aircraft did not belong to Watermark, this company was the holder of the leasing and afterwards these were rented to Aces in a different type of agreement. After the leasing term the option was to pass ownership from Airbus' financial branch to Watermark in ten years time, something like 2007 for the first A320 delivered. Watermark was like a fuse that would burn in case the acquisition of the aircraft went wrong. In practice, Aces' shareholders were also Watermark's shareholders hence it was like juggling money from your right pocket to your left pocket. I really doubt that the A320 were a bad business, but if they were it was feasible to use this emergency exit of sinking Watermark or renegotiating the leasing terms. However this wasn't made either because the Airbuses were not a bad business at all or as I mentioned in reply 23 there was no point in working on a company whose fate was already sealed. So I have to say to AV757, I really ignore what of the balances, either the healthy one shown off to the minor shareholders or the one made public to justify liquidation was more unreal.

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 27, 2004 12:07 pm

"It is true that Juan Emilio Posada 3 days before the termination of Aces showed the small investor groups of the company some economic balance sheets showing how well off, and the economic solidity of the airline; but those turned out to be unreal"

Hi AV757, I have a question.

How could Posada deceive, makeup balance sheets, and get away with it?

Could this person face some type of prosecution?

I know coffee grower group owns 50%?? Avianca shares. Do minor Aces shareholders own some shares as well?, or did they lose everything they invested?

Regards
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Thu May 27, 2004 7:14 pm

SoAmSky

I will answer that for you. Did you watch Betty La fea, The Colombian TV series? Well you can create as many balance books as you want. Every company has several accounting books according to standards in each country. In UK for instance, you have an official accounting book for taxing purposes, but you can also have an inner balance for the purpose of decision making. There is a famous proverb. There is the balance you show the government, the one you use managing your company and the one you show to your shareholders. Do you remember Enron or WorldCom? These are cases where these juggling exercises went too far. Anyway in Aces' case these balances were not prepared by Posada but by the company's accounting manager. In such the case these balances were official, there would be some kind of liability, but according to Colombian laws this unofficial brief to minor shareholders was not a breach to the law.

The stake of the minor shareholders was between 5-10% at the time I worked for Aces. This shareholders voted no to the alliance but as minority their shares also became part of the alliance. So far, I ignore whether they got rid of their investment or are still taking part of the Coffee Growers i nvestment, remember Aces disappeared but the holding remains.



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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 28, 2004 12:15 am

Hi ACES320, Thanks for your reply.

I did watch Betty la fea. By the way, I remember, at that time, I read an article in El Tiempo news paper written by Prosecutor General Alfonso Gomez Mendez stating that had Betty la fea plot been a real case, she would've been prosecuted to the full extend of the law.

I do remember Enron and Worldcom, in fact, it was the first thing that came to mind when reading along these posts... Off topic, but for the record, I was a WorldCom customer and a victim of these son of a b**s. They brazenly inflated customer bills and blackmailed them to take as much money as they could before going under.
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 28, 2004 2:23 am

Any news about the CO/CM/AV agreement?
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 28, 2004 5:06 am

Greetings to all!
I don't want to get into the discussion as to the way the merger of the airlines into Alianza Summa was handled. My heartache was profound, as it was for many, when news broke of the dissolution of Aces. I do, however, hope and trust that the new streamlined Avianca will maintain its viability, and that its current form will be a platform for steady growth.
It seems to me that the CM/CO offer for Avianca will be the chosen one. Its only a few days to go until we learn more.

AV757, have you heard anymore on the set up of Fenix?
I have a cousin, an ex-Aces FA and casualty of its liquidation, who wonders when they will be recruiting.

In the mean time, Air Madrid has received its operating license. All being well we should see one of their A330 at BOG and CTG in a few days time!
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 28, 2004 9:19 am

We have to wait till monday May 31 when the creditors committee will present their choice between CM/CO or the sinergy group offer at the chapter 11 proceedings with Avianca to judge Alan Gropper and see what comes out after the court decides and finally approves the most viable of the offers to restructure the company.

Yes Summa767, if anybody wants more information on Aerolineas Fenix S.A. they can contact them at the folowing addresses. They are Luis Gonzalo Gomez or Capt Guillermo Chavarriaga at:

Recursos Corporativos.

Calle 100 8A-37 Torre A Of. 304
World Trade Center
Bogotá D.C. Colombia

Phone +57+1+2183805 / 2180510
Fax +57+1+2183885

Email lggomez@recursos-corporativos.com

Soon they will have their web address, I will post it when I have it. The last news from Fenix last week was they were working on the approval of all their operating manuals for the company from the Colombian Aeronautca Civil. they will have an official business address sometime in mid June and should start hiring personnel in late August since they should start operation by early October.

If you need anymore info or help you can also contact me at davalose@tutopia.com

Best regards:
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Fri May 28, 2004 10:48 am

Does anybody have any news about the proto airlines Universal and Estelar?
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ACES320
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sat May 29, 2004 12:10 am

There would be a new extension to chapter 11 terms for Avianca.

Avianca will submit a new request falling due next june

http://www.lanota.com.co/noticias/barras/Confidencias/Confidencia5899.php

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sat May 29, 2004 8:34 am

In addition to the original information given, AEROREPUBLICA publicly announced the re-launch of their BOG-PEI(Pereira)-BOG service on June 15.

The service will operate twice daily in MD-81/3 aircraft, and will provide another fast link between the coffee region and the capital of the country.

Their first flight will depart from PEI at 6:10 and the second service will operate in the early evening.

Plus, the company will offer launch fares as low as USD65 round-trip without taxes.


As a side note, already Avianca operates 6 daily nonstop services between BOG and PEI, in an even mix of F50s and MD83s. Other regional airlines also operate to PEI on a scheduled basis from other cities of the country.


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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sat May 29, 2004 1:18 pm

Hi guys

today, I saw the movie "The day after tomorrow". Well, the movie features the Avianca 707 crash in New York as one of the casualties caused by the infamous weather that is changing the face of the earth.
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sun May 30, 2004 12:20 am

SoAmSky


I must see that movie pretty soon! Don't see any relation between both events, but is just... a movie.
 
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sun May 30, 2004 2:10 am

Hi LacsaA320,

In the movie, the weather is changing rapidly, twisters spawn over Los Angeles, hail over Tokyo, deluge over New york,... And so on. After US government realizes the situation is serious, FAA orders to ground all planes, but, it is too late. The news inform at least two planes were brought down by the strong winds. Guess what?? ... You guessed right, the footage of that casualty belongs to Avianca 707 that crashed in New York.

Regards
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sun May 30, 2004 2:19 am

Thanks again for your comments about the movie.

I hope that Mr. Bush wasn't on board Air Force One when the big storm hits. (Sorry if you are Republican, I'm just kidding).
 
ACES320
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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sun May 30, 2004 6:59 am

SOUTHAMERICA
Just want to add Aerorepública already operates the route Pereira-San Andrés-Pereira PEI on a 3 times a week basis.
It's refreshing to see a new livery around, no different planes though.

I will be traveling back to Colombia and somewhere I heard there would be a new agreement between Aerorepública and British Airways to connect passengers to secondary cities. Can anybody confirm? May be when I get back to PEI I fly on a BA 777 from Heathrow and on a brand new MD-83 to Pereira...

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RE: Brief Update On Colombian Aviation

Sun May 30, 2004 2:49 pm



Complementing to reply #38...



AEROREPUBLICA just confirmed that from June 17, they will start operating the MDE-CTG-MDE route with one daily nonstop flight.

The MD81/3 will depart MDE bound for CTG at noon, and will arrive again in the mid afternoon.

AeroRepublica's CEO stated that the company is delighted to present this new service, that will meet the demand that remained unserved when ACES went out of the market.

So, preparing itself for an active mid-year season, AeroRepublica will launch two new domestic services in the same date: June 17.

AeroRepublica, after having a market share of 18% in 1998, now enjoys its well-earned 30% of the total domestic market, and, according its CEO, countinues growing and liking.


As a side note, AeroRepublica from MDE offers 7 daily flights to BOG scattered all through the day, and 1 daily departure to ADZ.

The MDE-CTG route is already served with 3 daily flights by Avianca's low cost branch, SAM.


SOUTHAMERICA

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