soaringadi
Posts: 452
Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:56 pm

Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 4:05 pm

Which airports "at present" can accomodate the A380 w/o. having to expand... ?

Weather is good  Smile
soaringAdi.
If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going !
 
fraT
Posts: 992
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:32 am

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 4:16 pm

MUC can. At least at the new terminal which is used by LH and Star Alliance.
 
wilco
Posts: 340
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:34 am

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 4:18 pm

soaringadi.... this topic is covered a lot. "Expand" is defiently the wrong word to use, the issues are more accurately: retrofit/adjust/repave/remodel/install/etc.

I imagine most airports won't expand to serve the 380 but actually reduce gates to serve it (make two planestands into one big one, make two passing taxiways into just one due to wingtip clearance issues, etc.)

And until you see a pic of an A380 stopline (a pic of a doubledecker jetway wrosk too) don't believe folks who says their airport is 380 ready... some folks on this forum seem to think a380 ready means you have wide-body gates, a long runway and a DFS shop. The issues are much more complex including taxiway centerline seperation, taxiway turn angles, shoulder width, planestand configuration, pavement issues(?), etc.

(Sorry if I sound fiesty... I just get annoyed by people claiming there airport is a380 when it's not.)

regards,
WILCO

EDIT: To replier #1's credit... it appears that MUC is the only airport in Europe that is a380 ready as of April 8, 2004. (no USA airport are) The other airports are apparently Bangkok, Dubai, Gidda, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Narita and Singapore. see link http://www.munich-airport.de/EN/Areas/Company/Medien/textarchiv/textarchiv04/PM_16/



[Edited 2004-05-11 09:23:40]
"Ever seen a grown man naked?"
 
Joni
Posts: 2613
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2000 11:05 pm

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 5:24 pm


I believe that with a few exceptions, all airports that can receive 747s, 777s or 340s can also receive the 380. Perhaps you mean, which airports have had customized renovation done to handle the A380 specifically in an optimized fashion?


 
fraT
Posts: 992
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:32 am

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 5:56 pm

Joni, not true at all.
The A380 does not fit in the parking positions which were designed for B747s, B777 and A340s. As Wilco said, they additionally require doubledecker jet bridges. I havn't seen any so far besides the airports named in the linked press release.
I guess most major airports have runways and taxiways to handle this bird but not the gates.
 
col
Posts: 1692
Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:11 am

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 7:55 pm

Airports, if they want pax will modify for 380. It is called evolution!, we start with the Wrights and a strip of wood, moving up to grass, then onto gravel, then tarmac/concrete, now we need to change for the 380. Change is good, gets people thinking.
 
Joni
Posts: 2613
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2000 11:05 pm

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Tue May 11, 2004 8:26 pm


FraT,

A380 doesn't require double-decker loading. It's been dimensioned to turn-around faster than a 744 using just single-deck boarding. Naturally, having additional jetbridges will expedite boarding further, but they're by no means required.

Also with regard to the parking spaces, there is a standard 80*80 meter area which the 380 will fit in. A 773 or 346 will also fit into these spaces, despite both of the being longer than the 388.

This "A380 ready" issue is much ado about nothing, really. There are airports that need work done on taxiways, but in general any airport that can receive international widebody service can most likely handle the A380.
 
User avatar
ATA L1011
Posts: 1267
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2001 6:47 am

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Wed May 12, 2004 1:23 am

Most 747 sized gates in North America(most of the ones Ive been to in Eurpope has also been pretty tight) arent 80 meters in width most are about 70-72 or so and if you were to go you would see that their is a few feet between wingtips of 744's. The 380 with a winspan of 261 feet or 79.8 meters clearly does not fit at most 744 sized gates wingspan wise so alot is going to have to be done or they have to utilize the gate space better. For instance have a 380 next to a 757 because a 380 next to a 744 or 340 or so wouldnt work out.
Treat others as you expect to be treated!
 
peteinmiami
Posts: 165
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:09 am

RE: Arprts. That Can Accomodate A380?

Wed May 12, 2004 2:18 am

Miami International airport as part of the renovation/expansion project is adding at least one A-380 gate per concourse, I believe the AA-One World "WorldGateway" terminal would have it ready for 2005

Who is online