startknob
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Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Tue May 11, 2004 11:55 pm

Hello all,

just out - at the ILA in Berlin Airbus-Boss Foregard was giving a statement calling Boeings 7E7 project a Chinese copy of the 330-200.

Personally I think that´s an - hmmm - interesting point. Not a good one, either.

What do you think about that?

Best Regards,


Kojak

PS: I´m NOT Pro B and NOT pro A and hate A vs. B because it leads to no C  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Tue May 11, 2004 11:58 pm

I think he knows that he is taking a big gamble with that doubledecker plane...he is nervous because the 7E7 is going to be a good challenge to Airbus.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:03 am

What exactly is "Chinese copy" meant to imply? That Chinese products are inferior? I hope airlines in China never buy another Airbus product.  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:04 am

I'd say its pretty accurate

An 8-abreast medium-sized twinjet made in Asia.
Airbus looked at the 767 when they made the A332 and saw what it lacked, a decent cargo hold. Now Boeing have done the same.

Still not a very professional thing to say but accurate.

I do feel Boeing and Airbus have to match each others plane these days. Like the way Boeing dropped the -400 sized 737 when they made the NG's as Airbus didnt have a 734 sized A32X. now there's a gaping big whole between the 73G/A319 and the 738/A320

A318=736
A319=73G
A320=738
A321=739/757
A310=762
A300=763/7E7
A332=764/7E7 stretch
A333/A343/A345=772/772ER/772LR
A346=773ER
744=A380

Bring back the days when each aircraft manufacturer had unique aircraft, is what i say.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:05 am

He sure seems to make a lot of commentary, and criticism and gets a lot of airtime for a project that he says he isn't worried about...

J
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:06 am

This is disapointing that he would use such a term. He may have offended our Chinese friends (I hope not), by implying that there is something inferior about it and linking it to a fine Nation and People.
7E72004, I think every new aircraft is a gamble to a degree, I am glad there are folks at both Airbus and Boeing that are willing to take these gambles because without them we would not have many of the fine aircraft we have today.

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:09 am

Hey guys...

We are at a major sales event, what do you expect...???

Besides, let's face it...
Despite the hype Boeing is trying to create (all the ads and such), the B7E7 is mainly intended as a replacement plane for the B767 segment, it is NOT going to change aviation as some here seem to think/believe/hope.
Also isn't the B7E7 for a great part Asian?
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:09 am

I feel a flamebait floating this board once again...so please, people, remain civilized  Smile

Like I said in another thread, people shouldn´t take those sometimes immature things business managers are spitting out about their rivals too seriuosly. It´s just like in politics. No one will tell the public what he is really convinced of but rather what he thinks will get him or his party the most votes.
In economy, managers will tell the public what they feel will boost share prices the most, no matter if it´s right or wrong.

If Forgeard did really say that, it won´t prevent the 7e7 from becoming a fine airplane that will find a lot of customers, just as certain remarks from Seattle will hardly have any influence on A380 sales.

Daniel
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:11 am

Did he actually say "Chinese Copy" or did he say the equivalent in French? "Chinese Copy" en francais sil vois plait?

At least he did not say it was French copy>
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:15 am

What exactly is "Chinese copy" meant to imply?

A "Chinese Copy" is a pirated copy. China doesn't care much about copyrights.
That being said, Foregard is talking utter nonsense.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:16 am

Well said 9V-SPF!

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:28 am

If this guy says the B7E7 is a copy, then he must be aware that Boeing started designing and building airplanes decades ago before Airbus, so this means everything made by Airbus has being copied from Boeing so far.

Also, I see the B7E7 as a very original airplane to substitute an old model, the B767. Believe me, the A330 is not competence at all, just look at the sales results.

I really wish airplane designers were more creative. When the design for the B-Sonic was out I thought it was about time for something different, but the technical aspects were not good enough. So now let's wait for another 10 years at the least for something looking up into the future.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:40 am

A vs B aside, I can't see how using what amounts to a racial slur against the Chinese being productive in Airbus' Chinese sales campaigns. It's a very ill-advised and politically incorrect comment.

On a side note, he didn't even get the country right-it's Japan's heavies that will be building major structural portions of the 7E7. Not to say China didn't get some work on the aircraft, but Japan has the bulk.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:45 am

Sabena...what are you talking about the 7E7 not changeing things? Its going to have 20 percent less fuel burn, much longer range for thin long routes, all new composite design. No that doesn't sound like a change! (sarcasim)
Not to seem one sided either, the A380 will change aviation as well. Both products coming out will change aviation.

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:46 am

There was no source quoting him in the original post (from someone who has 1 post to their credit here).
I'm waiting to see a source.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:50 am

If you haven't got anything comparable to the 7e7, you may as well bad mouth it...sounds like he's worried......

oh, and when can we start calling the 7e7 the 787?
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:51 am

never! it'll be the 808 Big grin
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:55 am

I hope you're wrong, Roberta...808 sounds like an area code!
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 12:59 am

Last time I was on an A332 I enjoyed those largs windows....

Anyway, I am sure that the flaming will start soon.

That said, I can't wait until I get to fly on both the A380 and the 7E7.
 Big thumbs up
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 1:02 am

Voodoo: I'm waiting to see a source.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,299387,00.html

[Edited 2004-05-11 18:03:53]
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 1:05 am

Anthsaun, Airbus wasn't just created from scratch - a lot of European Aerospace companies with decades of history were integrated into Airbus, so while you're technically correct in saying that Boeing was building planes long before Airbus started, the roots of Airbus are far older than Airbus itself.

As for the comment being discussed here - if he did say it, it was a very dumb thing to say.

Putting down your competition's planes is one thing (read reply 7 by 9V-SPF for more on that), but I don't think it's a wise thing to use the name of a country that you're trying to sell planes to, even if it was "just" a figure of speech.

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 1:09 am

LOL Leave it to this guy for real winner statements. This goes beyond the ridiculous, if true. And, well, let's see....look at some old (even pre-"MD12")McDonnell Douglas renderings in some older AW&ST issues, and you will find that the A380 is, in fact, also a "Chinese Copy."

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 1:11 am

Message in reply to Reply 14:

To Vodoo,

thank you very much for your warm welcome for a new a.net member  Wink/being sarcastic
Just kidding.

Your point is OK, you want sources - so please try:
http://news.google.de/news?hl=de&edition=de&ie=ascii&q=%2B7E7+%2B%22chinese+copy%22&btnG=News-Suche

There you´ll also find the "Spiegel" article mentioned and referenced already in the original post. F.y.i.: "Spiegel" is a very prominent news media in Germany with a quite impressive track record.

Best Regards,

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 1:36 am

Forgetting the unfortunate implications of using the adjective "Chinese", let's look at the facts. What exactly does the 7E7 have in common with the A330 other than its 2-4-2 seating configuration? Two wings, two engines and a tail? As if the composite fuselage, faster crusing speed and larger windows weren't enough, just the swappable engine feature alone would be enough to substantially differentiate the 7E7 from the A330. And believe me, that feature is going to be HUGE, since it will boost resale values dramatically. The added flexibility will be a major advantage for the big leasing companies (ILFC, GECAS, etc.) in particular.

If the 7E7 is a copy of the A330, then the A320 was a copy of the 757, the A340 was a copy of the 707, the A330 was a copy of the 767, and all of the above were copies of the DC-3.  Smile Believe me, I have nothing against Airbus--they make fine aircraft that can hold their own against anything Boeing produces--but I kinda wish Forgeard would stop shooting his mouth off for a while. Comments like this just don't sound very intelligent.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 1:57 am

The yahoo.de article seems to claim (according to my extemely rusty German and to an almost incomprehesible auto translation) that Forgeard didn't mean the 7E7 was a pirated technical copy but that they were so similar that one might as well stay with the original (they give no quote for this interpretation).
However he did indeed use the term "chinese copy" in english.
Perhaps someone better equiped then me could translate this paragraph:

Dass Boeings «Dreamliner» 7E7 mit der japanischen All Nippon Airways einen potenten Kunden gefunden hat, tat Forgeard locker ab. Er verglich den bislang erst auf dem Reißbrett stehenden Flieger mit der bereits fliegenden A330-200 und zeigte auf der Großbildleinwand, dass die 7E7 ein bisschen kleiner ist. «Chinese Copy», nannte er sie, Raubkopie also. Damit wollte er vermutlich die US-Konkurrenz nicht des Abkupferns beschuldigen, sondern nahe legen, dass man auch gleich beim Original bleiben könnte. Auch Forgeard weiß, dass Flugzeuge aus technischen, ökologischen und ökonomischen Gründen heutzutage kaum große Unterschiede im Design aufweisen können.



[Edited 2004-05-11 18:58:07]
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 2:06 am

If I am a star salesman for Boeing. I would make damm sure that all Chinese Airline companies get a copy of the above statement (properly translated in Chinese) and English and let them make up their own minds.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 2:22 am

Hey Zoom, your German is pretty good.
Your translation is basicially right on.

Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 2:41 am

Two beginner's courses at university (more years ago then I care to admit), but I've had very few chances at practicing it subsequently. I certainly can't carry on a conversation any more but if I stare a written paragaraph long enough I can usually make out the gist of it.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 3:00 am

Amazing - though I get the impression that if translated the statement would be somewhat softer, I am still a bit at a loss when it comes to his arrogance. Granted, I love Boening as a company considerably more than Airbus for too many reasons to list here. However, even if Airbus was a company standing on its own two feet, without it's federally subsidized open checkbook and lines of credit with no due dates of repayment and rediculously low interest rate loans (federal again), I would shut the hell up, put my 380 bird in the air, stand back and enjoy what is most certainly is going to be its success. Silence sometimes is more golden than words and at this poing this guy is talking more about Boeing's aircraft rather than his own. Shut up and put up dude (and I must admit, Airpus has been putting up quality product) and enjoy the fame and glory - it doesn't last long.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 3:19 am

With regards to any Airbus vs. Boeing thread in any regard in and of itself:

Either Airbus is naive or Boeing is desparate.

If both, we have a problem.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 3:32 am

We have all lent a wholly undeserved dignity to Foregard's reported crass remarks by responding to them.

Based on Boeing's approximately fifty years of passenger jet manufacture, Airbus's 30 years and the power of present day CAD and other IS based design processes, it is not unreasonable to assume that each of their latest offerings will represent nothing more or less than popular, efficient and safe passenger transports.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 3:41 am

Also in the news is Airbus' lament that it's doing lousy in Asia, pointing out that ANA bought the 7E7 without even requesting a brochure from Airbus.

Well, slighting the Chinese is a great way to favor more business from Asia.

Open mouth, insert foot.

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 3:50 am

Ushermittwoch-

7e7 vs 330


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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 3:54 am

Dude, if you don't understand IRONY you most certainly are the ass here.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:04 am

Always the same kind and polite person from Germany...

I am sorry for the rest of my good German friends
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:10 am

Hey IBERIA, as you do not understand what Piggie wrote, I will translate for you:
"Not all asses have four legs. Yes?"

So, can you please explain me his problem with my statement above, which clearly made fun of the 7E7 being an exact copy of the 330-200?

Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:15 am

What an arrogant and ignorant statement. Of course he is nervous about the B7E7's upcoming success and therefore he talks pure nonsense. I hope Chinese aviation officials don't feel offended.

After this new blackout there's only one solution: That man has to GO! Save Airbus, dump Foregard!


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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:26 am

I can't see why this statement is racist. "Chinese copy" is a widely used term referring to the relevance of copyrights in China - nothing more.

Nonetheless I don't think that this was a clever move from Foregard.
- some people could think, that this is racist (as some a.netters have
proved)
- it's completely stupid to think every new aircraft has to be completely
different (although the world of aviation would be much more exciting),
why should new aircrafts will be developed? We could still use the 707...

I guess Foregard meant this statement as a reply to questions what Airbus will do about the new competition from the 7E7. Airbus don't need to design a new aircraft, because Airbus already have a product in this segment - A332.

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:42 am

Ok my use of German not well done-

I believe that the idiomatic translation of Nich alle esel haben vier beine means "You can't tell a book by its cover". Thus I was using a play on workds to say that i agreed that you can tell a plane by what it looks like. I was not a calling anyone an ass!

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:52 am

It is absolutely politically incorrect. Repeating the goods and improving bads are what an aircraft needs. What is wrong with copying the goods from others as long as it does not violet the copyrights law?!

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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 4:54 am

Seems like the 7E7 vs. A380 is becoming more of a contest than the presidential election!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:06 am

First Bethune with the stinky 380 pax, now Foregard, with even more stupidity.

What we should do is have a weekly prize for the most stupid comment from A or B. Foregard wins this week, even if the translation is not 100% correct, going that close about China and 7E7 for someone in his position is grossly inept.

Col

p.s. Just realized its early in the week, still time for a gem from B.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:12 am

Chi·nese cop·y

noun

exact copy: an absolutely exact copy of an original, including any mistakes or defects it happens to contain



from the MSN Encarta dictionary.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:22 am

You can copy dictionary definitions all you want. It doesn't matter...all that matters is how it is perceived. As you may recall, a US Senator or Congressman was under pressure to resign by Democrats and "civil rights" groups because of his use of the term "niggardly" even though the actual definition of the word has nothing to do with race. It was all in how it was perceived. And, with the way the Chinese media parse and clip and rewrite quotes to suit the government's political agenda, God knows how this will go over, if even at all, in China. In any case, I highly doubt this will have any affect on China's relationship with Airbus, let alone their trade relationship with the EU which that would undoubtedly affect.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:25 am

It always makes me laugh when people start taking competitive trivial little comments seriously.

As far as im concerned there is not a lot more fun than watching a bit of 'handbags' between two great rivals.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:25 am

Wow, what a stupid statement. Sounds like a man who is scared.
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:41 am

>>>I do feel Boeing and Airbus have to match each others plane these days. Like the way Boeing dropped the -400 sized 737 when they made the NG's as Airbus didnt have a 734 sized A32X.

Isn't the 737-800 the Next Generation version of the 737-400?
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 5:56 am

The 738 has a couple more seat rows than the 734. It makes it more competitive to the 320.

Still think the weekly contest for stupid statements would be interesting.
 
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 6:04 am

ROBERTA:

Above you claim "744=A80" how the hell ius the 744 Boeings answe to the A380 when the 380 hasnt even flown yet????????

That Airbusdork is just scared of Boeing, let him to his bad mouthing if it makes him less scared of Boeing superiority. Right Europe? Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Airbus-Boss Calls 7E7 A "Chinese Copy"

Wed May 12, 2004 6:06 am

It's unbelievable how many a.net'ers don't know the term "Chinese copy".

What about:
French fries
Irish coffee
Dutch roll
Russian roulette
Italian turn
Indian summer

French fries were first made in Belgium and is most widespread in the USA
Irish coffee you get everywhere
Dutch roll almost killed the Boeing B-47 bomber prototype
Russian roulette was mostly performed in the USA
Italian turns you see every day on the roads here in Denmark
Indian summer is what we all hope for.

"Chinese copy" has nothing with China to do. It's a product which does exactly the same thing as another product which was initially produced by another manufacturer. No more, no less.

All over the world people know what a "Danish" is. Except here in Denmark where the same thing is called a "Vienna bread". No offence to the Austrians.
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