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QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 9:13 pm

Do not shoot the messenger!! (as I usually source all my info)

However have heard from my Uncle (senior engineering role in QF), QF will be placing an order for an unspecified number of A340's model unknown at this time next week. Expect further information down the track I guess.
Can any body else further substantiate on this at this point in time?? (or did I get a "bum steer")



 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 9:16 pm

Now that would be great! I hope for A340-500s.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 10:26 pm

If its true.........JIPPIIIIEEEE!!! Way to go, QF  Big thumbs up

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 10:28 pm

Well, guess they must be happy with the 330s Big grin
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 10:54 pm

Really??? This is a very good news!!!  Smile QF & A340
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 11:13 pm

I have heard a rumour floating about that QF will choose the A345 to do Perth-Heathrow on a non-stopper, dont know how true this is, be awesome if it is true though!

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 11:31 pm

Yes,it can be true, The A345's CAN do London-Perth non-stop.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 11:37 pm

It would be very good news if it´s true.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Fri May 14, 2004 11:56 pm

If this is true, it´s really great news  Wink/being sarcastic

LHR-Perth is the sole theme of one of the early promotion videos of Airbus for the 345 ("tonight we fly"). The 345 IS flying today and seemingly SQ and Emirates operate them without major flaws AKL-SYD-DXB, SIN-LAX and more routes to come.

While the projected 772LR still would not be able to do London-Sydney nonstop when it arrives in years to come it makes a lot of sense for QF to get the plane able to do Perth today - the Airbus.

Additionally they can counter this way the Airbus-entry of both LAN Chiles and Emirates in Australia and their enlargement plans in Down Under.

Other routes probably possible with a QF 345 Perhaps could be SYD-SCL nonstop or SYD-AKL-EZE or SYD-"USA_not_LAX_or_SFO".

And they get another piece of commonality when the A34?s join the 332 MRTTs QF will maintain for the RAAF.

Bingo. Great news, indeed - if true. We'll see.

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 12:00 am

How long is LHR-Perth? It certainly sounds like a very long route. But are there enough premium passengers to fill an A345?

But nevertheless, it would be great if QF did get some of them, and maybe some 346s!

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 12:19 am

If this is true i cannot wait to see those A345's flying in and out of LHR. And to think that they will have come all the way from Perth is astonishing, what an age we live in.

Nethertheless, i will save my smug grin until a firm source has arisen.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 12:22 am

Let's hope QF follow SQ's lead and give the poor pax some room ! PER-LHR has got to be at least 20-21 hours nonstop - squodged into a normal QF economy seat, they won't need a jetbridge to offload the DVT corpses, they'll need a pitchfork.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 12:26 am

PER-LHR wld probably be less than 18 hours...

Its 5 hrs PER/SIN, 13 hrs SIN/LHR... so thats 18hrs, and i'm sure flying direct wld have its benefits Big grin

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 1:35 am

My longest A345 flight was 19hrs 31mins. I cannot imagine sitting in a seat for much longer than that and that was super tiresome, I must have finished 5 full length movies and there was still time to spare. No ordinary passenger is going to stay put for 20 hours. It's like Tsan said, more like 18 hours PER - LHR.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 1:54 am

Personally, I can see 345s as a likely option for QF. There are quite a few routes which are too thin for the 744, but where other carriers, particularly EK, can sweep up. A smaller airliner, such as the 345, could (a) allow new routes to be added, (b) frequencies on certain existing 744 routes to be increased, making them more business friendly, (c) add new ultra long haul routes, such as SYD-DFW and PER-LHR.

Some people have, in the past, pooh-poohed PER-LHR but, as all Blackadder fans know, you never ignore a pooh-pooh, so let's look at it this way: PER is already served by several airlines, such as SIN (3 daily), CX (3 wkly), EK (dly), TG and MH, among others. Now, I would think a pretty high proportion of this traffic is bound for the UK and Ireland, so by bypassing the en route stops, QF could gain an advantage and since it avoids the heavily travelled route over India, Pakistan and Russia, it wouldn't be subjected to that congestion, which can often keep airliners at relatively low FLs, with resultant high fuel costs.

This has been rumoured before, but I think a very strong case can be made for it. However, I think it's also fair to say that QF could, in the interim, make good use of its 332s by flying them from BKK to Europe. Most of Europe, particularly MAN, DUB and GLA - potentially lucrative new services - are within range from BKK and it perhaps something QF could do as an interim measure. After all, with all due respect to QF, they don't seem terribly sure of what they should be doing with their 332s anyway.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 2:07 am

What sad news; but like Roberta, I'll believe it the day the contraptions are on the apron.


Anywho, if it does turn out to be true; can at least give props to Airbus for a major coup in less than 5 years.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 2:52 am

"Contraption"?
Is that what you call an aircraft,even a US made one, C-boy?

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:01 am

Does it have the range to do SYD-ORD? I think this might actually be a better idea for QF than SYD-DFW.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:09 am

Does it have the range to do SYD-ORD? I think this might actually be a better idea for QF than SYD-DFW.

It has the range for both routes, yes.

I can't speak intelligently as to which route makes sense.

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:12 am

the following link leads on the GCM to the following airport pairs:

SYD-ORD
ORD-AKL
AKL-SYD
SYD-PER
PER-LHR
as discussed in this threat

and
SIN-EWR as of SQ from June 28th on with A345
DXB-SFO as of Emirates plans with A 345


http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=SYD-ORD%0D%0AORD-AKL%0D%0AAKL-SYD%0D%0ASYD-PER%0D%0ADXB-SFO%0D%0ASIN-EWR%0D%0APER-LHR%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=120

Therefore, SYD-ORD should be possible, too  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:13 am

Maybe its an order for A346s to replace its B743s?
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:18 am

Maybe its an order for A346s to replace its B743s?

I dunno. It'd have to be a fairly good deal, I would guess, especially with the misgivings of a few airlines in that region regarding that plane.

The reason I say this is because they just refurbed almost all if not all of their 743s. Granted, it'd be a few years before they could get an airframe from Airbus, but that was still a large investment.

If it is true, as was mentioned before, its a big vote for how they actually do like the 330, despite its unsuitability for the routes they selected. It would be a very mature decision on QF's part.

I like to ask this, and its off topic, but does anyone know if QF is uprating the CF6-80Es on their 330s before redeploying them to regional routes?

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:22 am

Asianguy767- This is what i was thinking.....either the A346 or the A345 but either way it will be to replace the 743. Good to see if QF does get the A340's. Should look great in that paint.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:28 am

Good for them  Big thumbs up

Nice to see those beautiful birds spread their wings down below. Now if only Air New Zealand would follow in their steps.

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:35 am

Does it have the range to do SYD-ORD?

In theory it does... in most practicality/probability, it does not.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 3:59 am

Very interesting news!

As for the range required for SYD-SA - Illinois">ORD, there is nothing to suggest that the A345 wouldn't be able to handle this task handily. I know that there was a lot of discussion about SA and their A346's on the JNB-SA - Georgia">ATL route. However, it still seems that the reasoning behind SA's tech stop remains debatable, and that route comes much closer to the 346's capabilities than SYD-SA - Illinois">ORD would be to the 345. JNB's altitude and other factors aside, of course.

If there is truth to this thread, I'm betting on an A345 purchase.

[Edited 2004-05-14 20:59:55]

[Edited 2004-05-14 21:01:34]
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 4:02 am

I agree, it would be GREAT for QF to operates PER-LHR, however, in the original message, it states they will order a unknown model. This means QF could get the A343, to increase Asian operations, or perhaps replace 743s. Maybe A346s to do routes to Europe, so 744s can be used to operates more routes to the US?!

If QF does get the A345, and operates the PER-LHR, do you think the flight will originate in SYD, or MEL, or go straight PER-LHR? i would love to see any A340s of QF in any Australian city.

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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 4:06 am

Re. A345 range

Flight international mentioned in a recent issue that Airbus will offer a HGW version of the A345 with a range exceeding that of the 777LR. (see issue where ANA's 7E7 order was announced)

Qantas' interest may have something to do with Airbus offering this HGW version.


 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 4:14 am

Way to go Kangaroo-tails!

A345 is a great airplane and I would love to see it gaining new operators. Maybe they will go for a joint A345/346 order to replace 743s and on some routes 744s? If I´m not mistaken the 346 has a lot more volume for cargo than a Jumbo so it would benefit that end of the business as well.

For a long-haul fan like me LHR-PER sound terrific! I just hope QF will configure their economy with decent legspace and a corner in which to stretch your legs during all those hours in the air.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 4:21 am

SQ's A345s are configured with only 181 seats. Had the actual seating capacity been around 270, there would be quite a number of fuel stops each year on the EWR service as the distance is so close to the design (still-air) range.

SYD-DFW should be OK year round.
 
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QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 4:29 am

Does it have the range to do SYD-ORD?

In theory it does... in most practicality/probability, it does not.


If SQ are going to begin flying SIN-EWR at 8285nm, unless there are some strong winds flowing ORD-SYD there should be no reason why it cannot fly the 8022nm's SYD-ORD.

JFK-SYD would be a more challenging route.

Maybe with 200 pax and no freight in one direction that would be possible

Also, i dont think we should rule out a A340-300e order either, im sure that would come in handy somewhere.

[Edited 2004-05-14 21:34:45]
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 4:54 am

there should be no reason why it cannot fly the 8022nm's SYD-ORD

A desire for more than 181 pax perhaps.....?
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:06 am

Ahh come on the A345 could ace it SYD-ORD with at least 300 pax.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:13 am

Again, there is no objective evidence at this point to indicate that SYD-ORD is beyond the capabilities of the A345.

 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:27 am

Possibility of any -300's in the order?
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:38 am

Again, never said it couldnt...

...what I said was the practicality of 260odd negated nm probably doesn't justify 120+ more pax, plus cargo.... remember QF would actually need some incentive to op this route, over maintaining the status quo.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:40 am

I love how this thread is dominated by non-americans. It is nice to see such an international response to the topic. I am not partial to Boeing as most Americans are, hell we can not even make a decent car!!!! not sure how we had dominated the aviation field for as long as we did.



 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:44 am

Don't confuse still-air range with actual range. The 744 has a still-air range of 7,260nm, but once a while, airlines have to make refueling stops from LAX to HKG which has a great circle distance of only 6,309nm. The 744ER has a still-air range of 7,670nm and is just adequate to allow QF to carry full pax load between MEL and LAX which has a GC distance of 6,883nm.

There is no way the 345 can carry a full pax load from ORD to SYD. SQ's SIN to EWR will be using the polar route which will have less head wind. So even thought SIN-EWR is about 250nm longer than ORD-SYD, the payload restrictoin should be pretty similar due to less unfavorable weather on the SIN-EWR polar route.

If QF buys the 345, little doubt that PER-LHR will be the first route. If they use it for trans-Pac, then I think DFW will be the more likely destination, because it's their oneworld partner AA's biggest hub. Being able to carry a full payload also make more financial sense than ORD.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 5:46 am

...what I said was the practicality of 260odd negated nm probably doesn't justify 120+ more pax, plus cargo.... remember QF would actually need some incentive to op this route, over maintaining the status quo.

I agree. In any case, I don't think that QF has any desire to serve any additional US destinations at this time anyway. Their alliance with AA already addresses this well.

I also haven't discounted the possibility of another A340 model being chosen here. Should anyone else know about where QF would like to concentrate its growth over the next while, I would be interested to hear!

[Edited 2004-05-14 23:07:49]
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:11 am


"I like to ask this, and its off topic, but does anyone know if QF is uprating the CF6-80Es on their 330s before redeploying them to regional routes?"
Yes, VH-QPD A333 has had delivery delayed until NOV 2004 due to it being with more powerful CF6-80E1A3's. Current A330's are fitted with the E1A2's. But no answer on remaining models through to VH-QPG, I guess we shall find out in the coming months.


"Maybe A343s to operate to Delhi!!! Then I can get home to Oz land direct!"
Well from the 1st September QF will begin flying to BOM non stop from SYD with their 743's. I think it would be excellent for QF to extend the service to DEL. Ah well I guess we shall see how good loads are.

Since it couldn't be determined as to which model it will be intersting whether it is any models of the A346 HGW or the new A345 HGW (that was mentioned in reply 27.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:18 am

With a fleet of A340-500's, QF could turn PER into the Australian gateway to Europe. Not just daily flights to LHR, but less frequent ones to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, CDG, FCO and ZRH.

Making Australia available to Europeans non-stop would be a great marketing tool for QF, totally gazzumping EK and their DXB option. It would also provide a good option to flights from SYD to Europe via BKK and SIN which may end up being mostly the domain of the A380.

SYD-PER-LHR daily
and
SYD-PER-CDG
SYD-PER-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
SYD-PER-FCO
SYD-PER-ZRH a couple of times a week each.

As mentioned by others, there's also a good case for SYD-DFW, but why not SYD-AKL-JFK as well and SYD-YVR?

And some A340-300's could see the re-emergence of QF services to SYD-AKL-EZE, SYD-BOM and PER-JNB as well as more long-haul flights originating out of MEL.

Just some off-the-cuff thoughts for the pot
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QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:28 am

This is certainly good news. Why didn't Qantas ever take advantage of the 777 on Asian routes? Never the less the A340's will look great in the QF scheme, alot better then the 747's or 777's (if they had any).
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:29 am

It would be nice to see Qantas a340's!
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:30 am

Qantas have a board meeting in Toulouse very soon. This is where an announcement will be made
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:33 am

Quite sure if this is indeed true that QF will order A345's!

Mainly to operate to more US ports plus the likes of PER-LHR, and maybe non-stop SYD-South America flights.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:51 am

I would love to see A345s in QF colours! This has come up before but maybe this time it's really not a false alarm.



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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 9:52 am

It is not a surprise since Airbus and QF have been negotiating for months now. It was only a matter of time before it happened.

Btw, they were discussing about the A345 (not the A343) but it would not surprise me if Airbus throws in a bunch of A343 in their offer. QF could certainly use them.
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 12:26 pm

Well it seems the A330's were to prepare not for the A380 but for the A345!! So it seems though the board meeting will be for the announcement. I think the order will be for 6 x A345 and some options. What do you think?

"Why didn't Qantas ever take advantage of the 777 on Asian routes? Never the less the A340's will look great in the QF scheme, alot better then the 747's or 777's (if they had any). "
Back in December 2000? when QF made their long term fleet plans it had planned to order 777 and A380's however I think Airbus made such a good offer to package A330's and A380's that the rest is history, as qantas was prepared to sign on the dotted line for the 777 back then. As it didn't it instead signed for 6 x 744ER's which are now in the fleet.
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 1:09 pm

It's going to be a great thing if QFA gets the A340-541 to fly PER-LHR.

Not too sure if the A340-642 would be ordered but apparently the B747-438s are going to replace the B747-338s when the A380-841 comes. And the 747-438ER remains.

So I don't really see the need for the -600 yet but for -500, it would be great especially if it's the HGW version. (Probably flying Full load in and out of US all time of the year without any payload restriction!)
 
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RE: QF To Order A340's Very Soon

Sat May 15, 2004 2:04 pm

Long live my Toyota...it will outlive me.

Amen.. '92 Camry... still goin strong  Big thumbs up, I am the Northwest Airlines of car ownership

Qantas have a board meeting in Toulouse very soon. This is where an announcement will be made

Yeah.. and rumor had it Singapore would announce the 7E7/A330 and A346/773ER decision today when it posted earnings.. and nothing...

Point is, if the order is inevitable, it will come when it comes.

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