Corpsnerd09
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Working On The Ramp....

Fri May 14, 2004 10:36 pm

Hey all,
I might be getting a job working in the ramp. I've never done ramp before, just up at the counter and some flight ops. I know ramp's more physically demanding than check-in or boarding. Other than that, what are some of the UPS and the DOWNS.

- Corpsnerd09

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NWB757300
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Fri May 14, 2004 11:51 pm

Getting to work with the aircraft is the best, I think....
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Fri May 14, 2004 11:59 pm

I think the biggest UP is getting to spend the summer outside all the time. Of course the biggest DOWN is getting to spend the winter outside all the time.
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:10 am

It´s good to work in the ramp, except for cold and rainy days  Sad
I agree with NWB757300, it´s great to work with the aircraft, also you learn a lot.
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:22 am

Look at it this way...the planes don't talk back.  Wink/being sarcastic

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Corpsnerd09
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:28 am

Nice reply XJRamper! I never thought of that!

I'm more fascinated with planes than I am with the airlines, so I know that's a big UP for me. As for the winter, the job is at MIA, so... not much of winter to worry about. I think the coldest temperatures we get are in the late 30s (F)... and that's on a bad winter day! Right now... May 14th at 11:22 a.m. it's 79F! As for rain, I can deal with rain. But then, I shouldn't talk until I experience it. What are some types of jobs that ramp people do, other than just load baggage? (If there are any?)
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:31 am

Corpsnerd109, hope you get the opportunity to plug into the ramp gig. Just a very serious suggestion from someone who spent nearly a decade ramping: ALWAYS keep your head on the swivel and concentrate on your S.A.(situational awareness). There are so, so many things that can bite your a** out there on a daily basis. If you keep this in mind, you'll have a blast AND keep yourself in one piece !
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:46 am


Corpsnerd,
Good luck on the ramp, it is a lot of fun. When I used to work the ramp,many moons ago, we would do everything from pushing back the aircraft, dump the lavs, fill the potable water tanks, start the Ground power unit, crank an Air Start, drive Stair trucks to the aircraft. Always remember to test the brakes
of the vehicle you are driving BEFORE approaching the aircraft!!
As mentioned above, make sure you have ear protection and keep an eye out
for aircraft around you.
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Corpsnerd09
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:47 am

What type of things? (that can bite you a**).

 
Spoon04
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 12:59 am

Oh, just silly things like spinning props, jet blast, vehicle equipment malfunctions (as Garudarod suggested, check your vehicle brakes BEFORE you approach an aircraft), other ground support vehicles suddenly and unexpectedly turning corners, or coming from blind-spots and crashing into you, getting sucked into an engine..... just your basic, everyday hazards. You know, things like that...
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 1:17 am

Do any of the airlines ever hire part time for ramp workers? Granted right now is probably not a good time for hiring but i would not mind doing ramp work part time...Lawyer by day...Ramp agent by night  Big thumbs up
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Spoon04
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 1:40 am

7E, as a matter of fact, as far as I know, part time is the ONLY pay scale currently being offered by airlines for ANY type of employment (non management). Part time employees don't have to be granted benefits (or at least greatly REDUCED benefits), and of course, the hourly wage will probably be in the $7.00 to $9.00 an hour range. Please keep in mind that ANY airline employment is based on seniority - new employees are assigned to what shift is currently open re their low company time.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 1:42 am

I would go for it...it would be some extra money and i would be at the airport up close and personal  Big thumbs up
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Corpsnerd09
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 3:22 am

Getting sucked into the engine?????

Does that happen a lot?
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 4:22 am

No it does not happen a lot,but allways remember to never approach an aircraft untill the red beacon stops flashing,that is how the crew tell ground staff a/c is safe to approach.

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 4:31 am

I think the ramp would be so much more fun that the ticket counter. I did contract work for CO and US at MSN before US pulled out and CO went to their own employees as part of their 'union' agreement. I absolutely loved working the ramp in the winter, because the baggage holds are so hot and the cold air outside more than makes up for it. The planes don't talk back, which is a major plus. Its always fun if you get a good group of people to work with. I had 2 girls, and 2 guys on my crew for my shift and it was an absolute blast.

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 4:48 am

Ok the down side is that you have to work in all kinds of weather and the insides of those airplanes especially the bag pits get EXTREMELY hot. Throwing bags isnt really all that fun. People pack their bags ridiculously heavy sometimes and then complain when its handle is broken off. Working with all the airplanes is cool but you really have to know what youre doing and always be careful. I've seen people get hurt quite often because of not really paying attention. Winter sucks for obvious reasons. But other than that I love it and wouldnt wanna do anything else. Having fellow agents who know what theyre doing also makes a HUGE difference. Here at TYS and with most other stations we're cross trained.. meaning we not only do the ramp work but also do some dispatch, a lot of computer work and have to deal with passengers fairly often and I swear people just get dumber when they fly i dont know what it is but they do some stupid things. Anyway... other than all that i love it and wouldnt wanna do anything else.  Smile
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 4:58 am

Watch for the tounges on the bag carts... If your rolling a full cart down a slight hill, lean back against the cart to slow it........ don't get in front of it and push back..... I broke my hand doing that. NOT FUN!
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:21 am

Ah yes, nothing like nearly passing out in the bin of a 737 in the middle of summer after loading 100+ bags.

On the other hand, it's a great way to lose weight, as in the two summers I worked on the ramp, I lost about 30 lbs the first summer (gained half of it back in the winter), and about 15 the next summer. Maybe I need to go back and try to get hired as a ramper...........
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:22 am

what is the job market like for those positions??
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:30 am

what is the job market like for those positions??

It really depends on the airline (or third party ground handler) and the airport. You're more like to have openings at hubs as opposed to outstations, and third party handlers (like DAL Global Ground, ATS, Swissport, AGI, et. al) do tend to have high turnover rates due to various factors (some ramp related, some not). Some airlines are always hiring at their hubs because of the turnover rate (ASA @ ATL always seems to have a new class of rampers on OJT every week.), but not all airlines are hiring at their hubs. That's why checking their websites can sometimes give you a heads up on a position that may not be posted in any newspaper or other job search site.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:42 am

the only airline that really has a "hub" at IND is ATA...
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:55 am

Best part is transferring bags to another airline. If you are lucky, you will be able to drive the cart all over the tarmac!
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Corpsnerd09
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:58 am

Awww... I'm small framed, if I do get hired, I bet they'll be sticking me in the belly! In the Miami summer time, when the temperature average is 99F... yeah, that's not going to be fun. But, I like the advice, the job is appealing more and more to me now. I liked flight ops, but I got bored sometimes waiting for planes to call in, and it was annoying to have had just sent the W&B to the gate, when the Supervisor decides to let a last minute passenger with 4 bags on. As for counter and gates, I liked it as long as there were no big flight delays.

I'm actually looking forward to loosing some weight, I need a free workout.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 5:59 am

that would be cool. I do like it when boarding outside and going up the stairs like PIE  Big grin
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sat May 15, 2004 8:00 am

The best part about the ramp? Easy- pushing back the jets!
If you are really good and gentle, they will never feel you start rolling or stop. At some airlines they have mechanics do it, but at SWA the rampers do the pushbacks (everywhere but DAL).

My second favorite is stacking. I was a wicked stacker and could really max out a bin. (A guy once lost $20 on a bet that he could fit in more than I could in "A" on a -700.) Airplane buffs will find this the ideal job. After 16 years of it, I still love the ramp and put in a day a week when I am not flying for the extra $.

The benefits can also be excellent depending on where you work. SWA is hiring now. They pay full medical & dental for employee only coverage and pass benefits are unlimited and free from the day you start for you and your dependants. You also get buddy passes and can ride in the spare F/A jumpseat if the flight fills up. Plus you get profit sharing each year and a good 401K plan. Other carriers may go international and fly bigger planes, but they sure don't take care of their employees nearly as well or give them as many free bennies.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Sun May 16, 2004 12:43 am

Other carriers may go international and fly bigger planes, but they sure don't take care of their employees nearly as well or give them as many free bennies.

Amen to that!! I wish Doug and his staff would do that for us...maybe next July when our union contract is up.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 12:27 am

Does Southwest hire part-time rampers? I thought I saw somewhere that they only hire full time, and aren't really flexible with their schedules. I'm a college student, so full-time is definitely out of the question, at least until graduation!



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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 1:19 am

Drink lots of water! Second, always follow safety procedures no matter how stupid they sound. Every one of them was put in place because somebody wrecked or got hurt. And when things get wrecked on a ramp, it isn't cheap because it usually involves an aircraft.

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 1:44 am

Damnit, I wish I lived closer to an airport. You all have me convinced that, other than captain, this is the best job in the industry. Once I start college @ UC in 2007, I'll probably work for DL at CVG (if they're still around).

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 8:31 am

Without sounding repetitive YV is hiring in PHX and a handful of other locations. My training class starts tomorrow. I chose ramp over CSR because I wanted to work outside, and after watching Airline! and Airport I didn't want to deal with angry customers.

@ corpsnerd: if you think 99 in FLL is bad, try 120 in PHX! I know, I know, it's a dry heat.  Smile

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 11:53 am

Asuflyer:
Looking forward to seeing you out there. I'll have to stop by on Wednesday and yell at ya.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 1:39 pm

@ HPCMHPHX: Shoot me an email. Maybe we can get together when I actually start working at the airport.

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Mon May 17, 2004 1:50 pm

I'm an Emory student. Right before classes let out for summer there was a posting on one of our boards about Delta hiring summer baggage handlers and such. I thought about it...but I just donno if hanging on a ramp during 100 degree days is for me.

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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Tue May 18, 2004 4:15 am

"Does Southwest hire part-time rampers? I thought I saw somewhere that they only hire full time, and aren't really flexible with their schedules."

I think some stations might, but most are full time. When I was 'part time', it was 7.5 hr a day and that ended in 1990. Agents have lots of flexibility by trading between themselves. You can shift trade days or give away shifts to someone looking for extra hours. Some people "buddy bid" with someone on the opposite schedule from their own (AM/PM) and have 4 days off a week. An AM agent would pick up two PM shifts for an agent after their regular shift and do two double shifts (16 hrs) with a single shift for their 3 day work week. Because of the labor law, this is all straight time, no OT beyond 8 hours for the trade days.

I have been lucky and have been able to give away months of shifts, only working 5-7 days per month to retain my benefits which are better at SWA than where I fly. I will sorely miss it when I leave. It's a lot of fun.
 
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Tue May 18, 2004 10:42 pm

The best UP: taking ramp photos!
I don't know about the States, but at ARN you're allowed to bring your camera inside, except for when there's a stated ban around a specific a/c or apron.
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Wed May 19, 2004 1:16 am

Srbmod:

I've also been on the ramp-agent weight-loss program. 30 lbs from Nov 2001 to Jan 2002, and 15 lbs before NJ went under in July.

but I just donno if hanging on a ramp during 100 degree days is for me.

Believe me, there's nothing better than unloading 120 bags and loading 150 more in sweltering heat, then drinking a nice big glass of Gatorade!

The best UP: taking ramp photos!
I don't know about the States, but at ARN you're allowed to bring your camera inside, except for when there's a stated ban around a specific a/c or apron.


I've got photos from the mail center @ MCI. One of these days I'll scan them and upload for the database! The were taken in spring 2002.
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Wed May 19, 2004 1:31 am

In some countries photos are forbidden (like here in Mexico, maybe the US because of the 9/11).
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RE: Working On The Ramp....

Wed May 19, 2004 2:15 am

XJ is hiring at MSP, BRD, BJI, ATY as far as I know. MSP is both full and part time, while the others I'm not sure about, as they are seasonal positions only (June-September). And, I love the job. I left XJ because I thought it was too far to drive 90 miles one way to work, but I came back one month later because I missed it too much and decided I would just have to deal with the driving.
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Corpsnerd09
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Hmmm...

Wed May 19, 2004 9:28 am

This trend is doing pretty good...

The job's actually at MIA, not FLL... which is good because I'm going to be dropping the whole Tri-Rail deal. Not Waiting for/riding the train will cut off 2 hours of commute from my life, which I can use to do productive things!

As for 120 in PHX: Dry or Humid that's nuts!

I get to make my decision tomorrow to go to ramp, or stay as Customer Service. I'm sure I'll be going to ramp. With a little help from the great information I've received here. So, I guess I'll be doing Ramp work for a while now. Just adding on to my experience. Flight Ops, Customer Service, Reservations, Baggage Agent, and now Ramp!

I'm an Airline Industry Whore.... What's next? Upper Management!