yegbey01
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More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 10:07 am

Don't know is it has been discussed. But Air France is adding a flight on Fridays to BEY using an A330 for a total of 9 weekly flights in addition to 14 codshare with MEA.





 
BA
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 10:52 am

I don't see it Yegbey01. Could you give us some more info?

I checked July and I still only see the daily 777-200ER and the 1x weekly 747-400 on Saturdays.

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FlySSC
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 9:09 pm

There is no additionnal AF flights to BEY this summer, excpet the weekly B744 on Fridays. But the regular flight AF566/AF565 will be upgraded from a B772 to a B744 on certain days during the highest peak of the summer season, like on June 29th.

ME209/ME209, normally operated by the A321 will also be upgraded on certain days to an A332... that's maybe what you are talking about, Yegbey01....

The booking forecast are already excellent for the next months on the route...
My best friend (an AF F/A leaving in BEY) left CDG to BEY yesturday Sat.May 15th on AF566 and he flew on a jumpseat, as the flight was packed in all the 3 classes...that's why occasionnaly, AF plans to offer additional seats by using the B744 iso B772 on certain days.
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 9:53 pm

ME 209 will be operated by A332 on FRI,SUN starting June 25 to Aug 29
 
yegbey01
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 10:17 pm

Guys,
There will be 4 departues on Fridays:


08:35 13:40 ME206 0
09:25 14:35 ME208 0
10:25 15:45 ME210 0
13:40 19:00 ME212 0

The new Friday departue bears the ME code, yet it says it is operated by AF.

The Friday flight will be complemented by the Saturday B744 flight starting in July.

 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 10:28 pm

Yegbey01, Where did you have this info. ?

The flight ME208 at 9:25AM you mention is operating on SATURDAYS, not on fridays. It's AF562, operated by a B744, returning from BEY at 4:55PM as AF561/ME207 and arriving at CDG at 8:30PM...
 
yegbey01
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Sun May 16, 2004 11:07 pm

the Friday aditional flight will run from June 18 until Sept 3. (A332)

The Saturday flight will run from June 26 until Sept 4 (B744)

Look it up!!!
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 12:38 am

Yegbey01,

I looked it up, it is not there..............
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 12:47 am

could it be a rugular charter flight for the summer
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FlySSC
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 1:52 am

There is nothing on www.airfrance.com ...

I'll check directly in AF's reservation system...
 
yegbey01
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 2:58 am

go to Amadeus...
go to Lufthansa's airline schedule

There are many sources that show it
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 3:08 am

Hmm.....you're right Yegbey01.

Although it might be a bug. I only see the MEA code-share of it, but not the AF flight number. Either it is a bug, or AF hasn't updated their schedules yet.

Regards
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 4:05 am

FlySSC,

Could you tell me how many seats are on AF's 772ERs, 744s, and A332s? At least the ones that are used on shorter routes like BEY?

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't AF changing all its fleet to 2-classes except the 772ERs and 773ERs?

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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 3:53 pm

BA,

This is right : only the B772ER & B773ER will remain configured with 3 classes.

At AF, each aircraft type of the long-haul fleet has only one configuration.

At the moment, the modification of the cabin has begun for the fleet of A332/A343. One B744 is already fitted with the new seats in the 2 classes config : it's the last a/c F-GITJ received last month.

Here is the configuration of the AF's long haul fleet; Before and After modifications.




B747-400 (16 aircraft) : 13P / 58J / 321 Y will become : 40J / 393 Y

B777-200ER (25 aircraft) : 12P / 56J / 202 Y ---> 8P / 49J / 193 Y

B777-300ER (16 aircraft on order. 2 already delivered) : 8P / 67J / 235 Y

A340-300 (21 aircraft) : 6P / 42J / 204 Y ---> 36J / 236 Y

A330-200 ( 14 aircraft) : 6P / 42J / 163 Y ---> 40J / 179 Y



None of the B772ER are already modified.
The B744 that will be used this summer to BEY will still be fitted with the "old" configuration 13/58/321. But the additional Saturday's weekly flight will be sold as "all economy" : 13+58+321 = 392 Y seats.
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 7:09 pm

Bonjour!


There's a high load between CDG and BEY, does it mean a cheap price???

I think that it is quiet expensive to fly to BEY.

BEY is a great city!

Nick
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 8:13 pm

The A330 flight is appearing on the Air France schedule,I just checked it.
Traffic between BEY & CDG is really impressive,on Fridays three A330s will serve the route,two MEA & one AF,in addition to the usual daily B777,plus the weekly 744.
How long has the online booking been working from Lebanon?

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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Mon May 17, 2004 8:57 pm

I just checked this morning the AF reservation system, and INDEED, there will be another flight AF562 on friday. The schedule on CDG-BEY this summer is :


1234567 = 8:35AM - 1:40PM - B772ER AF
----5-- = 9:25AM - 2:40PM - A332 AF
-----6- = 9:25AM - 2:45PM - B744 AF
1234567 = 10:25AM - 3:45PM - A321 or A332 ME
1234567 = 1:40PM - 7:00PM - A332 ME

BEY ---> CDG

1234567 = 2:05AM - 05:45AM - A321 or A332 ME
1234567 = 8:05AM - 11:45AM - A332 ME
1234567 = 3:55PM - 07:30PM - B772ER AF
----5-- = 4:50PM - 08:30PM - A332 AF
-----6- = 4:55PM - 08:30PM - B744 AF

 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 12:26 am

You never cease to amaze me FlySSC. You are an Air France encyclopedia.  Smile

Will the A330 that AF will use to BEY be the new two-class configuration or the three-class configuration?

How many 772ERs have been modified and which does AF use to BEY currently?

Any chance of seeing the 773ER?  Big grin

Regards
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 1:28 am

So What do we see? 2 MEA A330's at CDG or 1 Air France A330 at BEY????



OK, let get get this down.

This summer the CDG-BEY BEY-CDG route will be served by

(THis is without code share but by aircraft)

An Air France 772

An Air France 747

2 MEA A330 or 1 MEA and Air France A330

MEA A321
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 1:58 am

An all widebody fleet serving the route except for MEA's lonely A321!
MEA will be flying two A330s to CDG every friday & sunday.

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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 2:01 am

There will be a total of 23 flights a week:

5x MEA A321-200
9x MEA A330-200
1x AFR A330-200
1x AFR B747-400
7x AFR B777-200ER

Plus the Sunday Iran Air B747-200 operating Tehran (THR) - Beirut (BEY) - Paris Orly (ORY).

So a total of 24 flights a week. It might become even higher if menaJet does indeed start up operations between Paris and Beirut.....

Regards
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 2:32 am

BA,

None of the B772ER have been modified yet. The priority is given to the A343 and A332.

The aircraft that will be used for the additional flights (A332 & B744) will be aircraft, sitting on the tarmac at CDG in between two flights (concerning the A332, probably arriving very early in the morning from Africa, and leaving back to Africa on the evening...) so BEY might get the chance to have a "modified" A332 (one of them is used on the route CDG-BKO-CDG).

Concerning the B744, as I mentionned, only one is fitted with the new config and it used on the CDG-HAV route.


Concerning this second additional flight (A332 on friday) it was decided only last week to "create" it. It is a special request from the Management of the Central Reservation as the demand on the route seems to be even higher than previous summer.
We are just in mid-may, and the morning AF flight is already full very often. As I wrote in a post above, last saturday may 15th, my best friend had to travel on a jump seat on this flight... which is quite rare, especially on a saturday, as there is usually one or two seats left at least in Business or First !
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 2:35 am

Thanks for the info FlySSC.

Any chance BEY will see the 773ER or will they always be busy on long-haul routes like JFK and NRT?

Regards
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 3:26 am

AF has received its second B773ER just three days ago.
The aircraft is used during the "training period" on the CDG-JFK route, operating the daily AF006 until June 13th.
At this date, AF will have received its third a/c and will be able to operate them on their "real" market : the CDG-NRT route, from June 14th.

5 aircraft are due to be delivered before the end of this year. For the moment, None of them is scheduled to be used on the CDG-BEY REGULARLY.
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 3:30 am

Thanks for the info FlySSC.

Any news on menaJet? The stupid Lebanese law preventing any other carrier besides MEA to operate scheduled flights out of Beirut seems to be causing problems. It sounds as if menaJet will become a charter instead of a low-fare carrier?

Regards
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 3:47 am

Thanks Flyssc for all this info !

WOW, it seems the CDG-BEY market is a real bullish market. I don't remember where I saw it (probably here on a.net, by BA) that the CDG-BEY was the second most profitable route. Anyone can confirm?

Maybe next summer we'll have a 2x B773-ER and in 2007, I can bet now the A380. With more and more Lebanese abroad, I can see no small airline with its poor A320 competing (capacity wise) with AF-ME. I wonder if the entry in the skyteam of ME), Brazil">MEA would boost even more capacity by using more planes from partner airlines (mostly KL or DL). What do u think BA?

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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 3:52 am

From what I heard in Beirut last week, they have ALWAYS planned to have both a Scheduled and a Charter activity. They wouldn't need two A320 to start their activity of scheduled flights only : one a/c would be largely enough for 2 or 3 weekly BEY-ORY and a few flight to/from the Gulf...

BA (and others...), are you in Lebanon at the moment ? I'll go back to BEY at the end of may for 3 days... maybe we could meet ?!?!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: More AF Summer Flights To Beirut

Tue May 18, 2004 3:58 am

GoMEA,

I wonder if the entry in the skyteam of MEA would boost even more capacity by using more planes from partner airlines (mostly KL or DL). What do u think BA?

I would imagine so.

FlySSC,

I wonder how they will overcome the Lebanese law protecting MEA........ Maybe they are intending to repeal it?

No, I am in Colorado right now. But I will be going to Lebanon later this summer.

Regards
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