DIJKKIJK
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Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Sun May 16, 2004 7:17 pm

Oil prices are going up, up and away.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3713281.stm. Airlines like BA and Qantas have already added fuel surcharges to their ticket prices.

And worse, Oil reserves are rapidly depleting and the scanario of a world without oil is actually being considered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3623549.stm

What does the future hold for aviation? Are we going to see alternative business models like consolidations in the near future and viable technological alternatives like hydrogen powered airplanes in the long term?

What does this forum think?
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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Sun May 16, 2004 7:29 pm

As a strong advocate for alternative energy (I think I am the only one here), I hope that either the hydro-aircraft or the 'solar' one will be developed once... or what about CNG?? This has proved to be in some extent effective in the DEL urban traffic!  Smile - I am open to any new technique, put money in education, R&D now!!

I mean, we have to say: using an aircraft has become too cheap... that's why I so strongly oppose the LCC concept (they 'create demand' where there would have been no demand). Some environmental regulation needs to be introduced. I know that a majority of you will shout at me again (some neo-liberalism arguments of fair competition etc. might follow - probably from an american user, and I will be called a stalinist), but if nothing happens now, then we will have great problems in the future! Better start now than regretting later - if the energy and oil lobby - supported by corrupt governments in particular in the West, the current powers - had not been that strong, alternative energies would have been much further already (my father worked very long in the latter branch, so I have a little insider knowledge)!

Referred to the recent fare hike due to oil. Of course, BA uses this only to justify another hike in fares (the british modell of business is to rip off everyone). They always use this methodology to rip off people. Now, as usual, others follow (QF...)

DIJKKIJK, I appreciate you bring up the issue... it is important and strongly aviation related!

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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Sun May 16, 2004 7:41 pm

Well the prospects are really frightening, if you come to think of it. I really think that engine manufacturers must grapple with the issue first.

The Russians had actually started researching into hydrogen powered airplanes but stopped when money ran out. Apparently, they even converted a TU-154 to a hydrogen powered airplane!


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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 2:22 am

Don't know if there are any emission control rules for aircraft. Are there any?
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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 4:33 am

i think that the oil supply scare is a little over-hyped, however, a good thought for us to keep in our heads as we develop technology. Oil is the solution for now, but long-term we need to have a plan, and oil can't be part of it! Renewable resources are where we need to be looking--solar, hydro etc.

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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 4:37 am

Don't know if there are any emission control rules for aircraft. Are there any?

I think environmental standards legislation like theses are regulated on the local level 'airport-wise'. I remember AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA had a tax for older unefficient modells, but don't know whether this practice is still adhered..

too bad Tupolev did not continue with this... aviation tech could have been so progressed and the spillovers used for other means of transport... tell me, is sth like this in plans?
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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 4:38 am

one other thought--just take a look around America for a second...we waste gasoline. Personally, my next car will be a hybrid if it's affordable...that Honda Civic hybrid gets like 50 mpg. My wife and I own a Camry and an Accord and they each get like 25 city/32 highway and it's such a blessing right now, considering the gas hogging SUV's probably do about half those numbers. Honestly, I think it's ridiculous.

We saw a guy yesterday driving a Hummer...this is a banker. Let's think about what a Hummer is: it's a military jeep basically. What the heck do you need a Hummer for when you're a banker? Obviously, status quo and affluence. In the same way I strongly feel airlines shouldn't buy the latest just because it's the latest (for example, retiring perfectly good Boeing 757 and 767's blows my mind), we need to do our part of buying cars that serve the true purpose many of us need...to get from point A to B. Unless you're driving the rugged terrain, don't be buying Hummers, Trail rated Jeeps and Land Rovers...get a freakin Honda that doesn't inhale gas like a Irish takes liquor. It's ridiculous.

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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 4:40 am

Jeff, these are my words!  Smile I couldn't express it better, thanks!

I just thought... a very positive A v. B. battle would be: who produces the first 100% ecofriendly a/c?
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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 4:48 am

Good! glad to see somebody agrees!

Good challenge though: an environmentally friendly A/C...it can be done! If we can put a man on the moon, we can build it!

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RE: Oil Prices And Its Impact On Aviation

Mon May 17, 2004 4:55 am

Indeed, space technology could give nice spillovers for the airline industry... one problem: the oil lobby (and in other examples the car lobby)! My father, as I have said, long worked in the eco-friendly research dep of a private company as an R&Dengineer, and he told me how often they had to fight against them and how easy it would be to offer these products if research had been accordingly coordinated and subsidized. Your argument with the man on the moon is indeed correct. Respect, Jeff

There are indeed many such examples where we could safe: eco-friendly bulbs, turning off the motor while going shopping (when I lived in the states, that shocked me!) etc etc etc... we will have to pay and invest for that (sometimes we even save with eco friendly... particularly our grandchildren will thank us!
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