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Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Sun May 16, 2004 10:33 pm

It was somehow hard to squeeze my question into the subject box, but here's my question: which airport, that is not the "residence" or hub of a Star Alliance carrier has the most coverage by Star Alliance, in terms of number of airlines flying there or in terms of number of flights or in termns of destinations served?

In my mind it is LHR, unless you count LHR as the base for BD. Otherwise, it has virtually all Star carriers going there: AC, NZ, NH, OZ, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, TG, SA)">UA, RG. Only Spanair and US are missing. ALso future Star member SA goes there. Most of these airlines have a "Heavy coverage", i.e. many flights and many destinations served.

After that it would be Paris CDG, with AC, NH, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, TG, SA)">UA, US and RG, as well as future member SA. Missing: NZ, OZ. But since the airlines serving CDG do not have as many flights into Paris as they have into London LHR, CDG is less of a Star airport than LHR.

Another candidate would be HKG: AC, NZ, NH, LH, SQ, TG, SA)">UA

What strikes me is that despite the high volume of traffic among Star carriers at these airports there seems to be very little coordination or cooperation among Star carriers, for instance in terms of using the same terminal or sharing lounges (which they do at HKG, ZRH and DXB). ANd what strikes even more is that Star does not capitalise on these airports as transfer hubs.

Does anyone know whether Star will shuffle terminals and move its carriers closer together with the construction that is going in at LHR and CDG?
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Sun May 16, 2004 11:06 pm

As an answer to your question about the 'all airlines under one roof' idea, I believe that they are trying to get T3 (or T2, can't remember), which would be much better than the current arrangement!
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 12:35 am

I heard a while back that CDG T1 would become a Star Alliance terminal? Obviously Star would need to invest a lot of money to refurbish that terminal, which dates back to the 60's and has not undergone major refurbishments since then...

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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 1:15 am

Is that still anything else about Star alliances into the new terminals or something else? I will think about construction new concourse J very soon and will used with their carrier into the new concourse J of AC, RG, LH, UA and other airlines will join with new concourse J.
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 1:49 am

ZRH would maybe count too:

TG, SQ, LH, OS, LO, soon SA)">UA, JK, SK, AC (in summer), SA
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 5:16 am

What about JFK. Most Star carriers serve it. Not sure how many domestic flights UA and US operate from there.
Another airport with quite some domestic flights from UA and US should be MIA.
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 5:43 am

Very interesting topic. Can LHR be considered BD's hub? If so, then it would not be one of the candidates. I guess CDG and JFK are runner-ups. ZRH also seems to get a lot of Star Alliance service. How about HKG?

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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 5:56 am

This is the top 5 list - and yes, while it does include some fortress hubs, it gives an idea. There are a multitude of airports with 7 or 8 * carriers.

* carriers serving an airport:
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA & LHR - 13 (London has 14 if you count US at LGW)
CDG - 12
NRT - 11
PEK JFK & LAX - 10
KIX CPH MAD - 9

The rest have 8 or less.

(I would count BD as having a hub at LHR - it's where most of their Euro flights connect to UK flights, after all !  Smile ).
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 6:02 am

So there we go. CDG is the non-Star Alliance hub with the most Star Alliance carriers. It would be interesting to see if CDG is also the airport with the most Star Alliance weekly seats or if JFK gets that honor.
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 6:04 am

what about PVG? OZ,NH,TG,SQ,SK,LH,UA,OS,AC,also 9
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 6:49 am

It's LHR for sure, not just in terms of airlines but also in terms of destinations serve by Star members
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 6:54 am

Yeah but LHR is a Star Alliance hub since it is BD hub. Therefore, it has got to be CDG or JFK.
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 6:58 am

Can LHR really be considered a hub for BD?

I am not aware of all BD's flights out of LHR but at first sight, I wouldn't think their operations there can be viewed as a hub...
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 7:03 am

Well, quoting our friend AI, it is where most of BD's European flights connect to BD's U.K. flights. I don't really know first hand but I would assume it is a major airport for BD, if not the most important.
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 7:03 am

What about AMS?

AC, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, UA, US and RG go there. That's ten.
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 6:47 pm

Can LHR really be considered a hub for BD?

They hold 14% of all LHR slots - it's a hub for sure!
Selected Star Alliance Members' Operating Statistics
Airline: bmi british midland
Total Revenue: $920 million
Annual Passengers: 6 million
Number of Employees: 6,309
Number of Destinations: 31
Revenue Passenger Miles: 1.9 billion
Major Hubs: London Heathrow, Manchester
Daily Departures/Countries Served/Fleet: 306;12; 60 aircraft

What about AMS?

AC, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, UA, US and RG go there. That's ten.


Mea Culpa - my figures haven't been updated with LO and US. Humble apologies.

what about PVG? OZ,NH,TG,SQ,SK,LH,UA,OS,AC,also 9

OS and SK have crept in there somewhere - not sure when they started flights, but yes, PVG has got the 9 now.
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 8:26 pm

LO and US go to AMS that's for sure!
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 10:16 pm

I am not aware of all BD's flights out of LHR but at first sight, I wouldn't think their operations there can be viewed as a hub...

Huh?

Its their major hub. They offer hundreds of connecting flights.

AC, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, UA, US and RG go there. That's ten.

AMS's schedules are well aligned also... most *A carriers offer connections there.

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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Mon May 17, 2004 10:16 pm

I thought I remember hearing in the past that they were going to build a terminal for Star Alliance at MIA which is really odd since MIA is a One World Hub
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Tue May 18, 2004 2:33 am

As far I am aware, the exclusive Star Alliance Terminals so far will be;

CDG T1 - 2006
LHR T3 - When T5 is completed.
MIA TA - underconstruction

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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Tue May 18, 2004 5:03 am

AC is not flying to AMS.
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Tue May 18, 2004 5:07 am

"AC is not flying to AMS"

During the summer schedule they do.
 
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RE: Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover

Tue May 18, 2004 6:55 am

Newark (EWR) International,

SAS-

Copenhagen 2xs daily A330
Stockholm daily A330

LH-
Frankfurt daily 747-400
Munich daily BBJ
Dusseldorf A319LR

SQ-
Singapore daily nonstop A340-500

Air Canada-
Montreal, Toronto multiple daily frequencies (A319s, CRJs etc..)

UAL-
Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington Dulles

Lot Polish-
Warsaw

Newark (EWR) has more "Star" service than JFK, by far.

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