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Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 2:52 am

Yo everyone

My dad recently got back from a trip to Jordan, and he was telling me an amazingly terrible story of an Air France segment from CDG-Amman. So he said, it was raining - no, it was pouring in Paris on the day he was there, connecting to Jordan from the USA. So, after a huge lack of help from Air France staff in finding his gate, they told him to go on a tram/train/bus thing, that just took him around all the terminals and brought him back to point A again..and he was short on time, had only an hour or so between flights. So, he finally found hte gate anyways, and he found out the plane was out on the tarmac and that they needed a bus to get there. So he got on the bus, and they got to the plane - keep in mind it's still raining REALLY hard, pouring, almost hurting. So they got off the bus - and guess what, the bus didnt even park next to the stairway to the plane, but pretty far from it...and guess what also? there was no covering about the staircase. So unless you had an umbrella or raincoat, you were screwed. He said, everybody was SOAKING wet when they got on the plane, after having to walk a ways from the bus to the stair,s and the stairs not being covered (all the Air France people had coats and umbrellas, hmmm). So everybody in the plane was drenched, dripping water all over. Not just a little wet, a LOT wet. He said the first class passengers were FURIOUS and so were all the other passengers. Then the plane was delayed from departing one an d a half hours because of unidentified baggage. Then when they got to Jordan, 3 passengers were complaining about having not received their bags (......). And, on the flight, he said the flight attendants didnt offer any towels, nothing to compensate for the WET WET WET and extremely uncomfrtable passengers!!! WOW! just WOW. oh yeah and the airline didnt give those people whose bags didnt show up, any compensation - like clothes, or even an upgrade. SHAME ON U AIR FRANCE!!!

What do u all think of this? i think i'll try to stay away from Air France

-A330Fan1
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 2:56 am

That is terrible, when I went through LHR in April it wasn't raining but still all of the stairs had covers on them. That is very poor judgment by Air France not to even offer towels and made the first class passengers very angry. Has AF even had an apology to the passengers?
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 2:57 am

Should have refused to get off the bus until assistance was given.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 2:59 am

When I was in the Boy Scouts a decade ago, we had this saying "Be Prepared." It has often served me well  Big grin

But I'm sorry your friend had a bad experience. When I prepare to fly, I expect to be treated like crap, have my bags lost, not recieve any complementary service, and just be lucky to arrive in one piece. Once you are in this mindset, the flight can only improve from there...

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:04 am

anyway, I have to say:

1. bags get lost every day and there's usually no compensation if they show up in time (within some hours) so that's nothing to blame AF

2. well, if it's raining, why not wait in the bus while the crowd is on the stairway? nobody will push you out so: if everybody runs out of the bus to be stuck on the stairway cause some other guys need to keep standing in the aisle to take their time while taking of their jackets, they deserve it to get wet  Smile

3. let's blame AF anyway (for any reason  Smile )
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:08 am

Hi A330Fan1!

Why don't you or your father write a trip report on that subject? I guess it would have more impact than putting your thread in the General Aviation forum. This forum is so big, I guess someone searching on Air France won't be able to find your thread in a couple of months or so. If you write a trip report, there is a big chance that you find your trip report even in years with a search on Air France and I guess that people who are interested in traveling with a certain airline will look under trip reports for information about the airline quality.

Cheers

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:10 am

Hell, why don't you sue Air France for the rain and getting wet!!

Like Daumueller said, If it was raining that hard wait on the bus for a while until it lightens up then you wont get soaked or ask the bus driver to pull up closer to the aircraft!

Its just common sense!
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:11 am

Does Air France having stairs a common thing and CDG? All the times I have flown out of CDG, on both Delta and Air France, we were on one of those buses that lifts up to meet the door.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:17 am

hey everybody thanks for your responses

my dad couldnt wait on the bus for the rain to subside, everybody had to get off fast because the plane was leaving really soon (it was supposed to leave soon...but didnt, b/c of that huge bag ordeal thing), and the bus wouldn't get any closer - that's just where it stopped.

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:18 am

How does your father know about the lack of compensation for those with lost luggage? Did he stick around to find out? What were the reasons given for the lost luggage?
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:20 am

Pouring rain.....And AF had no umbrellas available?
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:25 am

Zrs70 - he was talking to them and all he said, is that they were complaining a LOT at Amman airport, yelling at the Air France staff, and that the Air France staff were saying they wouldnt do anything about their lost luggage. dont know what reason the staff gave them.

Aviationman - no umbrellas given to the passengers. i mean, at least ponchos should have been handed out right? but actually nothing!

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:28 am

Buses and stairs happen too often as far as I am concerned. I don't know about CDG specifically, as I don't fly there very often, but the CDG-GVA flight I was on did use the bus and stair method of boarding. One CDG-AMS flight did too. Not enough data points to come to a firm conclusion.

However, as far as buses and rain go: I refuse to get off a bus in the rain until I can go straight into the plane or under covered stairs. That doesn't help in very heavy rain or long distances though.
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:30 am

DFW,
That sums it up. Flying monkey class a lot, I never expect anything anymore, just to arrive alive in one piece. Being prepared with carry-on snacks, water bottle, and a wind breaker/rainjacket/sweater/whatever has come in handy over the years. Everything above and beyond the seat I sit in becomes a bonus.

Still, AF should have offered towels to the drenched pax.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:30 am

What do u all think of this? i think i'll try to stay away from Air France

Well, it would be your loss. IMO one should always give an airline a second try if the first impression or one incident was a screwup. I had a very bad flight experience with IB in 1998, however, after some hesitation, I flew them again a couple of years later, and all my following flights with the airline have been just fine.

Maybe you should stay away from central European weather instead. Big grin


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Mon May 17, 2004 3:33 am

Sorry that your father had this experience, but let's be realistic:

- I don't think any airline has got 150 umbrellas abailable anytime anywhere just in case.
- I don't know if the stairs are coverable, but anyway I don't think they are the property of Air France anyway.
- The bus is a service of ADP, not Air France.
- Very hard rain like you describe is very rare in France, and is always sudden. So they were probably not prepared.
- Perhaps they didn't have towels (just a thought) ?
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:36 am

A330Fan1 may have a point. It's very common that airlines will have umbrellas available for pax when boarding a flight with no JetBridges. It's common sense guys.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 3:40 am

It's hard to judge an old, large, legacy airline for a mishap like this. I've traveled AF in several occasions, and it has always been a pleasant experience.

Intercontinental service between Mexico and France is better in AM, though.  Smile

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 4:09 am

Here is my story on AF..
Last March I took a flight from CDG to MEX with AF. The flight was delay for about 2 hrs, because the company that cleans and put new food on the plane were in strike.. At the beginning the delay was understandable because this situation was out of AF control, and the crew had to clean the plane (the plane was just arriving from MIA so it was all dirty). Finally we board the plane, and there was a tuna salad in every seat. The F/A asked us to keep it, because that was the only food that we were going to have in all the 10:30 hrs flight. I also tried to understand this, because it wasn't AF fault that the company that load the plane with food were in strike.
The problem with AF began after we took off from CDG. The F/A just left the drinks cart on the aisle so the PAX could serve themselves, and ALL of the flight attendants went to sleep, leaving the PAX alone.. Suddenly the flight was a REAL mess.. All the passengers were crowded in the aisle around the beverages cart. The F/A also left the alcoholic drinks there, so MANY of the passengers got REALLY drunk. They were REALLY out of control. Ladies couldn´t enter to the restroom because there were a lot of drunk men out there. The situation just got out of control. I mean I don´t have a problem with drunk people, but a lot of drunk people inside a plane, during a long haul flight, with nobody to control them, I think that is a BIG safety problem.
I wonder where the F/A were during all the flight!! I guess they were sleeping somewhere.. Actually some of the F/A had to wake up to go to the toilet, and saw this situation, and didn´t do ANYTHING at all. they just took a pis, and went back to sleep. Even when a lot of the F/A where men (I mean, it´s easier for a men to control a drunk men), they didn´t do anything at all..
Finally, after almost 11 hrs, we arrived MEX... I wonder if these people were allowed to board their connecting flights that drunk..
So this is my story, and even if I have gotten drunk many times, I have never done that in plane.. I think AF people should learn the flight safety concept, before they continue fliying..
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 4:15 am

I remember in the Kai Tak days I once flew CX from HKG to SGN and it was raining so they gave all passengers a disposable plastic rain coat (of very good quality which I did not use and kept it; i still have it somewhere at home) to wear as we had to take a bus to the plane...

Goes to show what quality airlines are and every single detail they care...
 
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Mon May 17, 2004 4:22 am

ElPelon: I would have LIKED to be in that CDG-MEX flight! Hee,hee,hee... hicks!!  Nuts
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 5:59 am

Guys !

I had flights with several airlines around europe sometimes with big players sometimes with LCC or smaller one
and exactly ZERO of them handled their PAX out an umbrella or a coat when it rains cats and dogs which is very usual in central part of europe and
I didn't see a covered staircase very often (some airports have still a few of them and try to use it in such days but mostly they are uncovered)
and the best thing is stay in the BUS until the crowed is gone smaller or run like it's your life to be the first one entering the plane ( I tried both depending which place I had in the bus and never got wet like described above  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 6:10 am

There were a number threads on this, Michael - and many criticized the same... some Americans then explicitly opened threads to distance themselves from AF-hating statements, what I really appreciated this, that was a nice initiative (search for "thank you air france" or so)
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 6:15 am



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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 6:21 am

I´ve noticed that most yanks are more or less hateful to AF and France. Is it b´cuz you are Bushbabys/war in Iraq or Airbus/Toulouse??????

Maybe it's because we Americans love our jetways

In terms of this being AF's fault, I keep a rain jacket/sweater, a basic change of clothes, tolitries (minus shaving kit), basic medicines, a decent first-aide kit with CPR breathing mask, two drinks, enough snacks to make a light meal, cellphone, and book in my carry-on. It usually fills a typical bookbag and fits into an overhead bin.

I do this when I fly to HOU or LHR. It's half-paranoia and half-preperation, but I've never regretted it.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 6:26 am

I had flights with several airlines around europe sometimes with big players sometimes with LCC or smaller one and exactly ZERO of them handled their PAX out an umbrella or a coat when it rains cats and dogs

I agree, I am flying quite often across Europe, but I never received an umbrella or a coat, neither when I was booked in Economy Class nor when I was booked in Business Class.

and the best thing is stay in the BUS until the crowed is gone smaller or run like it's your life to be the first one entering the plane

Absolutely correct, that is the only secret you must know to avoid that you get wet on the way from the bus to the plane.

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 6:33 am

Every large airline has its "bad service stories". AF Isn't the only one. Its just a sign of the time...

What were your Dad expecting? A XXL towel to dry himself up?  Smile

I fly AF all the time. I actually try to stick to AF and its partners. I've had my share of lost luggage... Usually its a problem with connecting flights and I got my personals back within 12hrs.

The ADP buses, with this type of rain are required to wait for all the pax to deboard so It usually has to do with everyone rushing to the stairs and ending up waiting in some awful pushing group. Not AF's fault.

To end up, I am getting really tired about all this Bad AF Shame on you...
Stop looking at the citizenship of an airline to judge it.
Overall, AF is a service wonder and I sure am proud of them,

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 6:38 am

I am a FQTV on AF, I love AF, I travelled First and Business class most of the time, inflight service is excellent. When there is a problem, they put up with it and face communications with customers .
Now they are putting new seats in First and Business class that are among the best in the world. Air France is one of the biggest airlines in the world after its merger with KLM.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 7:20 am

Nor merger, murder. 2 letter difference, whole world of difference.
One of the best airlines in the world raped and murdered by one of the worst.

The horrorstories about Air France are extremely frequent it seems, almost as frequent as the comments about their dirty aircraft and the strikes at French airports and ATC centers (the latter out of control of Air France).

As to "just stay on the bus", that's not very helpful advice as that bus is being emptied so it can go back for another load of passengers.
I've had busses to aircraft a few times, there's usually one or two busses shuttling passengers back and forth between the terminal and the aircraft.
Can't stay on the bus as it's needed for the other passengers and the crew.

Covered stairs are extremely uncommon in Europe, at least at large airports where stairs are seen as something archaic and not for normal use by passengers (at Schiphol they're normally only used for crew access for example).
If this was indeed a flash shower and not anticipated I can understand there being no preparation for getting the passengers on board dry, but the long delay afterwards should have been enough time to get some towels or something to the aircraft to let people dry off.
As it was a reasonably long flight there would most likely have been blankets on board (I guess it was a widebody?) which could also serve as towels in an emergency. Guess the flight attendants didn't want to have to clean up a bunch of wet towels and had rather that the cleaning crew at the destination had to work overtime to clean wet seats...

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 7:32 am

AF Uses an A320 to Amman. No way would they have 140 towel on a narrow body.

Jwentig. The flight is over 4h, if the seats are still wet upon arrival I would advise the pax to check up there bladder control, LOL.
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 12:35 pm

I am outraged at all of your complaining. If only you could be on the other end of it, as I am 5 days out of 7 days of the week, not only with passengers but with crew.

The only reason why it seems there are more horror stories and positive ones is because we hear only the negative stories!

I'd like you to try to dispatch a plane with 150+ passengers in inclement weather. Do you really think we could care less???

Thank you very much.
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 12:56 pm

I might be inclined NOT to fly Air france after an incident such as the one a330fan described. But to be fair, I would give them a second chance. If you pick any airline, people will have good and bad stories to tell. Actually, to be honest, people mostly remember the bad stories.

The first time i flew WN, they lost my co-worker's luggage. in addition to that, the return flight was run like a circus from Hell (drunken passengers, late flight, mass hysteria on boarding the flight, etc.). i swore I would never fly them again. I broke that oath, but i have to say that all subsequent flights on WN have been positive experiences.

Write a letter to Air france to complain about the bad experience. They will pay close attention, especially if he is a first class or business class customer. AF cannot afford to tick them off  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 7:56 pm

Oh Jwenting, what a typical bullsh*t as usual... What a frustrated type you are.

What do you actually expect... that whenever an aircraft has to use stairs, the airline sends an army of staff to the plane with umbrella's for in case it rains?

Losing luggage: very common, ALL airlines lose luggage. The only solution to avoid this is to drive.

Delays: 1,5h due to the fact that baggs had to be removed, had a 1,5h delay for this very same reason on BA a year ago. BA's fault? Of course not.

One of the best airlines in the world raped and murdered by one of the worst.

'Raped'? You are too emotional JW. KLM the best airline in the world? Get real. Air France the worst? Get common sense dude.

The horrorstories about Air France are extremely frequent it seems

Quite logic that how bigger your airline is, the more complaints you get, isn't it?  Nuts LH must be a bad airline too because the kids can't watch their Disney movie on a PVT I guess?  Nuts
I don't hear more bad reviews of AF in comparision with LH and BA. And I check a lot of reviews on a yearly base.

Once again a typical rant of JW, only filled with frustrations and hatress.

PS: strange that the 'best' airline in the world ASKED for consolidation.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 8:12 pm

The horrorstories about Air France are extremely frequent it seems,...

Maybe in your little frustrated world, but how comes that Air France is both passenger- and freight-wise one of the largest airlines in the world if they are so horrible like you always keep whining? Oh, I guess it is because they kidnap their passengers and chain them to their seats.  Insane

Seriously, Frederic has really hit the nail on the head:

Once again a typical rant of JW, only filled with frustrations and hatress.

I feel really sorry for you, JW...  Sad

PS: strange that the 'best' airline in the world ASKED for consolidation.

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 8:16 pm

Hmmm..pouring rain...does that mean the aircraft was squeaky-clean?  Big grin Big grin

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 8:21 pm

Re airlines keeping umbrellas for pax in case of rain...

JNB is renowned for the frequency and sometimes the ferocity of its thunderstorms during the summer. Back in the old days at JNB before they installed the jetbridges, SAA would have huge number of umbrellas available on wheeled stands to take to the gate for passengers who had to board when it was raining - each pax was given an umbrella, and there was another receptacle at the bottom of the stairs (the stairs were almost always covered) for the pax to return the umbrella - sometimes on busy evenings (eg. Fridays) there would be a bit of a panic on to get the umbrellas back to another gate, but it usually worked pretty well. I remember on one particularly stormy day having to board an AB3 from the domestic gates, being handed an umbrella and walking out only to have the thing blow inside out - half the pax had their umbrellas ripped out of their hands by the wind ! Lots of rampers running around trying to catch them !

But it can be done.

P.S. I flew NCE-CDG-BOS the other week, and the flight from NCE ended up at a remote stand - with all the millions of gates now available at CDG2, why is it necessary to park any flight remotely ?
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 8:26 pm

Well as some members have already stated, it's not the airline's fault that passengers are ill prepared.
Do you want to complain about the airline taking you to Fairbanks in January that it was sooooo cold, just because you forgot your winter jacket?
Maybe the airlines should also give you a survival kit in case you get stuck in a snow/rain storm after you leave the airport....

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 9:25 pm

Very unprofessional. I remember back in 94 in Subang i arrived on a CX flight and there was no covered staircase and raining heavily, the airport staff were prepared with big umbrellas. They walked up the stairs and personally escorted pax with the umbrellas to the bus.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 9:35 pm

I had a bad similar experience like that with AF from CDG-MAN, but this time it was snowing, minus 10 degrees and i was wearing a T-shirt and shorts having just come from SIN.

Still, ive had good experiences with AF too, just luck of the draw I guess!

g2g, got a bus to catch,

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 9:48 pm

First of all, let me say that Air France is one of my favorite airlines, and I am not about to judge them based on somebody else's experience.

That said, however, I'm surprised how many people here think it unusual or ridiculous for an airline to provide umbrellas when boarding/deplaning in rain. This is quite common at U.S. airports when boarding turboprops and RJs via airstairs--next time you are at a gate without a Jetway, it is very likely that you will see a bin of umbrellas by the door.

Furthermore, a recent trip to Mexico during rainy season demonstrated how it can be done efficiently and effectively with larger aircraft as well. On landing in the rain at Oaxaca (on an Aeromexico DC-9, for those who care), which lacks Jetways, a member of the ground crew was waiting by the bottom of the airstairs with a bin of large umbrellas. Each passenger would take one, walk to the terminal in dry comfort, and hand the umbrella back to another crewmember who was waiting by the terminal door. Once the bin by the plane was empty, the other crewmember would bring the full bin from the terminal back to the plane. Thus there was no need for anywhere near a full planeload of umbrellas--just a few at a time. It was the same when I flew out of Los Cabos in a torrential downpour as Hurricane Marty approached. Again, Aeromexico staff had umbrellas by the gate, then another crewmember collected them by the door to the MD-80. Easy!

Again, I am not judging the specifics of the case mentioned here, but please don't tell me that this is too difficult for an airline like Air France to handle!  Smile
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 9:54 pm

I bet my €0.02 most of the complainers would fly AF again if the price was right.

It's just rain. You won't melt.

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 10:38 pm

P.S. I flew NCE-CDG-BOS the other week, and the flight from NCE ended up at a remote stand - with all the millions of gates now available at CDG2, why is it necessary to park any flight remotely ?

It's not AF's choice about putting planes on hard stands, it's what the airport is able to provide them in terms of "contact" boarding gates! There are still many fewer "contact" boarding gates than there are actual flights! This is something AF is trying its best at with the ADP ... when 2E is at full capacity there will be more "contact" gates and then there is the other terminal 'S' that will have more contact gates and space for 3 A380s ... that's still a project under way.

p.s. JGPH1A, voudriez-vous m'ecrire a mon adresse e-mail s'il vous plait? C'est au sujet d'AF, j'aimerai bien savoir comment s'est passe votre voyage. Vous verrez pourquoi apres, merci!

[Edited 2004-05-17 15:44:24]
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Mon May 17, 2004 10:57 pm

This is really a silly post. I mean...c'mon what do you expect...AF to yell out...RAIN STOP...and it magically stops? IF I were you, next time you travel, take a look at the forecast and be prepared. It is not the airline's responsibility to make sure you dont get wet.

When you are waiting for a bus on the street...is the bus company supposed to supply you with an umbrella too???? C'mon...get real. Weather happens. Nobody can control that. To say an airline sucks because you got wet because of bad weather is absolutely ridiculous.

Why is it always the kids in the 16-20 age range that have these kind of stories? That is what I would like to know.
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:05 am

This will be my last post on airliners.net. I cannot in good conscience pretend that this is an adult forum anymore. I am saddened to my very core that in 42 replies to one topic, the readers of this forum have been subjected to some of the most vicious, hateful, unprovoked name-calling I have ever seen in my life.

I joined airliners.net to have adult conversations about topics I find interesting. I am disgusted however, that not only do I get e-mails from the moderators using phrases like "you must never ever do this again" with the words "never ever" repeated several times, but they consider the childish name-calling seen in this posting acceptable.

There are many a.net posters who have stayed above the fray and have kept their responses mature and concise, and I have enjoyed communicating with you. That being said, this particular topic (and others like it) along with the rantings and ravings of the responses has killed the joy I used to feel knowing there were others that were passionate about aviation. I see now that the potty mouths have taken over. Congratulations.
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:28 am

I love this thread : a bunch of spoiled brats complaining about absolutely nothing.
If your dad didn't get off the bus and stayed for the full CDG tour, may I suggest you do not leave him unaccompanied on his next trip. Some people are just not meant to travel I guess.
AF used umbrellas here in GVA until about 1995. Then they stopped using them as everyone would steal them.
And your dad's excuse that all passengers had to rush to the stairs under torrential rain "because the flight was leaving real soon".... It's ridiculous!!! You're probably the same kind of people judging an airline "bad" because "the pilot made a bumpy landing" or because "they didn't let me use my cell phone inflight".
You're one of the reasons why we, airline employees, find most passengers brainless.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:33 am

All I want to say to this topic is that I´m surprised how people can judge an airline (in this case one of the major players that must have established itself in the airline business for some reason) by ONE experience that they didn´t even have on their own.

Nor merger, murder. 2 letter difference, whole world of difference.
One of the best airlines in the world raped and murdered by one of the worst.


You must have had a really bad day, I feel sorry for you.  Nuts

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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:43 am

EZYCrew: You're one of the reasons why we, airline employees, find most passengers brainless.

I just hope this statement was made under stress and without thinking...if not, then you've definitely got the wrong job! Just keep in mind who's paying your frigging rent!!
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:48 am

I didn't say we don't like or job or passengers. However we often joke about how "passengers usually leave their brains at the checkin desk". Which is sometimes a total understatement.
If it didn't amuse me I would have left long ago. I still enjoy good times with interesting and nice passengers.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:50 am

http://www.blarg.net/~dr_z/Movie_Posters/Singing_Rain.html

Umbrella is a must sometimes to remain happy in the rain.

Cheers. Kilavoud.
 
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RE: Shame On Air France!

Tue May 18, 2004 12:53 am

You're one of the reasons why we, airline employees, find most passengers brainless.

Yeah, absolutely right. Stupid people tend to fly much more often than intelligent people (like "airline employees"). Oh please, cut the crap and think about Andreas´ point about who are the ones that are responsible for you being able to fill up your refrigerator.  Insane