flyboy7974
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HP Into Long Beach?

Mon May 17, 2004 4:45 pm

over the past few years, america west has transfered its five mainline flights over to express flying between phx and long beach. it was my belief that america west then surrendered their "slots" at long beach to other carriers in exchange for commuter slots for express. when looking at their summer timetable, america west has converted its late phx-lgb departure and the early morning lgb-phx departure back to a 737-300. have they always kept their slots there, or did they lease their slots to another carrier and now have taken them back?
 
lgbguy
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Tue May 18, 2004 12:14 am

They have always used their slots, never any of the commuter slots.

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scottysair
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Tue May 18, 2004 12:18 am

Is that for the slot restricted into LGB?
 
flyboy7974
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Tue May 18, 2004 12:18 pm

i thought they relinquished those slots in lgb when flights went from hp mainline to hp express. isn't it just like orange county where the slots are based upon a/c weight, and the crj 700/900 fall into the commuter weight slot
 
flyboyaz
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Wed May 19, 2004 11:44 pm

I'm sure the employees at LGB will be glad to hear of HP mainline coming back. They actually switched over to a new computer system and I was asked to help out. I refused because they were an all YV city....and I'm glad I didn't....flights were late the whole time I would have been there.
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gigneil
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Thu May 20, 2004 12:57 am

Mainline slots and commuter slots are very different, but I think the CR9 requires a mainline slot.

I also believed that HP relinquished their mainline slots.

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FATFlyer
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Thu May 20, 2004 3:07 am

I believe it was discussed to require HP to relinquish their mainline slots since they were flying RJs in place of mainline. But in the final agreement signed last year at LGB, HP was given 5 mainline slots. (summary at: http://www.lgb.org/content/settlement.htm )

The weight restriction for regional slots at LGB is 75,000 pounds MTOW. That means the CR9 would need a mainline slot.
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flyboy7974
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Thu May 20, 2004 12:49 pm

that's what i was wondering, where the cutoff was. i knew it was a weight cutoff, but i did not know where the crj900 stood. a friend of mine works for jetblue in lgb, and he is always talking of hp express delays there. things will get better hopefully as mesa takes more crj900 a/c in, they've taken 4 just since 4/1.
 
flyboyaz
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Fri May 21, 2004 1:57 am

YV will be getting several more CR9's in the next couple of months...many in June and some in July. I just read a memo about it, can't remember the exact numbers though.
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FATFlyer
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Fri May 21, 2004 3:16 am

I don't know how it breaks out by individual month, but a fleet plan I saw showed 6 CRJ-900s coming between April and September of this year. Then another 13 in the period from Sept. 2004 to Sept. 2005.
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flyboy7974
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Fri May 21, 2004 6:00 am

i just read last night in World Airline Fleets May issue that four were delivered 4/1-5/1, and it showed 2 more by 6/1.
 
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Fri May 21, 2004 6:21 am

Flyboyaz said-
"They actually switched over to a new computer system and I was asked to help out. I refused because they were an all YV city....and I'm glad I didn't....flights were late the whole time I would have been there."

That has got to be one of the most inconsiderate and arrogant things I've ever heard. You wont go and help out your own fellow co-workers because YV is currently flying those routes instead of mainline? That is absolutely ridiculous. Why are you so bitter- YV is saving your airline money by operating the lower density routes until the loads get high enough for mainline to take them over again. Teamwork is one of the things that makes an airline run smoothly and successfully, and your lack of it is quite embarrassing. If you really are a supervisor like your profile claims then you should know this, and in turn endorse and display such an attitude.
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NWB757300
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Tue May 25, 2004 12:29 pm

Yea FlyBoyAZ, I thought "Every flight counts..."

but i guess not, way to represent your company and it's partners!
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flyboyaz
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Wed May 26, 2004 2:30 am

I think Mesa should be the one concerned about teamwork as being one of our "partners". They have OUR colors painted on the side of their planes and they fail to provide a reliable product to OUR passengers. Doesn't sound like teamwork to me.

An example of how Mesa shows that "Every flight counts..." :

A flight from PHX-GYM is diverted to TUS due to MX. They dump the passengers here, leaving them stranded. They fly the plane back to PHX empty, reassign it as an extra section TUS-PHX flight and get the completetion factor. "Thanks for flying America West Express, operated by Mesa Airlines!"

It isn't my intent to attack you personally, but perhaps you should be asking your management at YV why these problems exist and how they plan to resolve them. I wasn't the only person asked to help at LGB, in fact the only person that did go, was someone who actually likes dealing with delays...she thinks it's fun. She knew she would get her fill in LGBBig grin The rest of us agreed that we wouldn't be helping with the new computer system as much as we would be rebooking passengers.
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av8rphx
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Wed May 26, 2004 2:52 am

You have to realize that there are alot of good and decent employees at Mesa. We hate dealing with the bs that mgmt feeds us too. I have helped out HP employees before when they got the new computer system in MSP. They were very grateful to have someone who knew the system. So yes,Mesa does have their problems, but you can thank JO for that and his whole idea of running his "low cost" operation. Things wont change until something drastic happens again,ie we lose a codeshare again.
 
flyboyaz
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Wed May 26, 2004 5:00 am

I agree completely Av8r. While I have had problems with certain YV employees, overall they are a decent bunch of people who are basically helpless when it comes to the issues at hand. The fault lies with upper management.
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RE: HP Into Long Beach?

Wed May 26, 2004 11:22 pm

Actually to correct LGBGUY, Freedom Airlines did use a couple of commuter slots with the CRJ-700's but the airport warned them that if they did not use more regular slots, they would loose them to jetBlue. Usually the captain could fig the numbers so that either the regular slot or commuter slot was used. With the CRJ-900, they have to use a regular slot since the plane is over 75,000 lbs.