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BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 1:11 am

British Airways indicated for the first time publicly yesterday that it could eventually become a customer for the A380, however..

Rod Eddington, BA chief executive, said, that the A380 would be "technically a very good aircraft," but the "jury is still out" on whether it would deliver the necessary standards of passenger service and operating economics because of the logistical problems of embarking and disembarking so many passengers.

"We are not going to make up our minds until we have seen one flying," he said.


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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 1:18 am

Is that was very interesting about BA want to orders with new A380? I can't wait to see them in the future. I will think about of them and will able to make orders with new A380 for BA.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 1:20 am

It was obvious from the start that BA would order the superjumbo, I mean you only have to look at LHR to know why
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 1:24 am

He mentions "logistical problems of embarking and disembarking so many passengers."

My question is.. if there are so many other airlines using it to LHR, why is it a problem for them?
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 1:49 am

With the A380, not only do you need special 'double decker' gates and jetways, but need considerably more ramp space, more gate agents, larger gate areas and seats, more security, and for inbound, more security, customs, immigration agents. LHR will probably one of the critical airports for use of the A380, but can it handle 12-15 at once? Other airports may not be ready in time to set up to handle this a/c either.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 1:56 am

There is some speculation that BA will "share" QF's A380's on the Kangaroo route, and that joint BA-QF services will be operated entirely with QF's A380's. There is no way BA will want not to have access to these modern state of the art aircraft on one of its most important and profitable routes, when the likes of SQ, MH and EK will be offering them.
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:01 am

If LHR is that problematic, they could always tranfer their A380 operations to LCY... Big thumbs up
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:11 am

...be nice though if the provided link had something to do with the topic at hand  Big grin
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:18 am

They haven't indicated any sort of meaningful interest at all.

They're seeing how it'll do once it's flying. Isn't everyone doing there? There's no hint of an order at all.
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:24 am

...be nice though if the provided link had something to do with the topic at hand  

What?

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:26 am

I'm not surprised that BA is interested in the A380. It would be a good aircraft for many of the routes they fly, such as JFK-LHR. It would be nice if they also became a customer of the 7E7.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:38 am

I don't find this surprising at all. In context, however, it is vague and doesn't amount to anything as of yet. I make a prediction, though, that BA places a firm order before the A380 is in regular commercial service.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 3:01 am

I don't doubt for one moment that BA will order the A380,it's just a question of time.

As stated above and in previous topics,with QF,SQ,VS,MH,KE & EK all flying the A380 and I don't doubt they will all use them into LHR,BA will need to operated some kind of 'super' jumbo to help compete and keep market share,and to be honest,unless Boeing can put some fantastic 747 derivative together,the A380 will be the one.

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 3:03 am

What?

...maybe it was just me, but when clicking on the provided link, I was getting a completely different article than the one [showing a VS tail] that's showing up now.
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 3:09 am

Hmm, maybe you should consider actually reading the article ConcordeBoy.

Infact save yourself a minute, everything in the Article about BA is quoted in the thread starter

[Edited 2004-05-17 20:16:59]
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 3:15 am

All that is revelant in the link is posted by the topic starter.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 4:11 am

...be nice though if the provided link had something to do with the topic at hand.

... be nice if you actually tried reading the article. Insane


... but like Roberta and Donder10 wrote, it's all in the first post.
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 4:29 am

Hmm, maybe you should consider actually reading the article ConcordeBoy.

be nice if you actually tried reading the article



...or, you could try reading the post(s) immediately preceding your own.

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 4:38 am

...maybe it was just me, but when clicking on the provided link, I was getting a completely different article than the one [showing a VS tail] that's showing up now.

Yes, it was just you...  Laugh out loud
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 8:32 am

From what I understand certain gates atTerminal 3 at LHR are being upgraded to handle the A380, which is good news for EK, SQ etc. Unfortunately Terminal 4 is not being adapted. This is bad news for BA who currently operate 7 B777/747 daily from LHR to JFK for example. Obviously this could be reduced to 5 A380's meaning that 2 slots per day could be used for other routes. I think the world has room for A & B concept aircraft going forward. The A380 could serve LHR-JFK while the 7E7 could serve a re-launched LHR-SAN.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 8:47 am

If Qantas start flying A380s into LHR before T5 opens then T4 will have to be adapted, or they would need to move terminal. Will all the 'heavy' gates at T5 be A380-compatible?
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 8:49 am

Isnt T3 being upgraded to handle the A380 as we speak?
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 10:48 am

I don't think JFK is a prime city for the A380. Frequency gives us the edge on the highly served JFK route. Reducing 2 daily flights is not going to be in the cards, with or without the A380.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 11:00 am

Here is the BA schedule JFK-LHR

09:00 21:00 JFK LHR BA 0178 BA 744
18:20 06:25* JFK LHR BA 0112 BA 744
19:00 07:05* JFK LHR BA 0174 BA 744
20:01 08:05* JFK LHR BA 0176 BA 744
21:00 09:05* JFK LHR BA 0114 BA 744
22:00 10:00* JFK LHR BA 0116 BA 744
23:00 11:00* JFK LHR BA 0182 BA 772

Im sure there is room for an A380 on that route somewhere.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A3

Tue May 18, 2004 11:04 am

He's subtly preparing the way for negotiations!

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A3

Tue May 18, 2004 11:22 am

"We are not going to make up our minds until we have seen one flying," he said.

Well assuming BA will eventually go for the A380...that garuntees no order would be made until late 2005 or early 2006? BA's 744 fleet is no more than 5-15 years old, so I would expect replacement arount 2007-2009. This would give BA adequte time to scope the A380 out after it has entered service.

unless Boeing can put some fantastic 747 derivative together,the A380 will be the one.

I'll second that, I can't see BA replacing a 744 with a 744. If Boeing gung-ho's it on a 747-Adv, which I am convinced they should, then BA would be an airline I would consider of strategic priority. If not, then the A380 would be in like flint.

Boeing doesn't necessarily need to match the A380, but incorperating the 7E7s systems alone would go a long way. Maybe a combo 7E7/747-Adv powered by Trent 1000s?

Im sure there is room for an A380 on that route somewhere.

It isn't whether they could, but as KZBA pointed out (reply 22), dropping frequency in the lucrative JFK market would not go over well.

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 11:25 am

Imagine how many Club World Flat Beds can they fit onto the A380.

It will be good if they increase the overall width and also decrease to 3 in the middle

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 11:39 am

I won't argue that there is "room for an A380 in there somewhere", but we offer a frequency that gives us such an edge to/from JFK. JFK contributes about 25% of the entire profit in North America. That all comes from premium traffic. Why would we lessen the options for our high yield passengers?
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 12:31 pm

Because now they can get absolutely shit faced at the bar on the A380s upper decks!

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 12:45 pm

I think the reason why BA has suddenly expressed interest in the A380-800 is the fact that VS has decided to delay taking deliveries of the plane until VS gets the upgraded interiors. That could open the door for BA to take some of the A380 production slots that were originally intended for VS.

Question is, what route would BA fly with the A388 if they could get early deliveries? My guess is that the main routes will be LHR to JFK (to reduce the frequency between the two cities so BA can assign the freed-up slots at LHR for other routes), LHR to HKG, and possibly LHR to SFO!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 2:09 pm

Consider Terminal 5, when it will be open too.
VS delaying will open up an opportunity, if BA are smart enough to take it, which I doubt.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 6:50 pm

I'll second that, I can't see BA replacing a 744 with a 744. If Boeing gung-ho's it on a 747-Adv, which I am convinced they should, then BA would be an airline I would consider of strategic priority. If not, then the A380 would be in like flint.

Boeing doesn't necessarily need to match the A380, but incorperating the 7E7s systems alone would go a long way. Maybe a combo 7E7/747-Adv powered by Trent 1000s?


As everyone knows, the 747 Adv has been offered on and off by Boeing for just about the last 10 years. It is still quite a mystery, however, as to why Boeing haven't offered it. There are just a whole list of airlines out there (including the one I fly for) that would chomp at the bit at the prospect of a 747NG, if you don't mind that nomenclature.

However, after throwing around several projects during that time, including the sonic cruiser, Boeing settled on the 7E7 as their focus of development. After such a long period of fiscal problems, it is highly unlikely that Boeing will be able to carry two major projects at the same time. As we have discussed in another thread DFW (or as you have yourself indicated), incorporating 7E7 type technology in an old airframe is not a minor achievement (especially one as old as the 747), but a major engineering challenge. So if you want to see Trent 1000's on a 747, you're probably looking at least the middle of the next decade before anything happens, i.e. 2015.

So inbetween that time, with airlines such as BA waiting for a 747 replacement, the A380 is definitely an option in this delicate chess game. The 747-400ER definitely does not cut it, and the few orders it has attracted shows. It still sucks gas like a pig, and the 777-300/300ER is cutting close onto it's territory sucking somewhere like 1/4 less gas per flight.

Rod Eddington, esq, is not necessarily the smartest tool in the shed himself. But with a plane like the A380, it's definitely smart to wait for it's in service performance figures before deciding how much to extort Airbus for one. Meeting initial performance criteria is certainly not Airbus' forte, so it remains to be seen what sort of performance penalties can be expected. Range not so much a requirement when it comes to the 380 (you pretty much know what trunk routes they will serve), but payload and fuel consumption is. Not to mention reliability issues, imagine the IFE nightmares on a double decker airplane.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Tue May 18, 2004 7:05 pm

LTBEWR,

"With the A380, not only do you need special 'double decker' gates and jetways ... "

The 380 was designed specifically so double-deck gates and jetways aren't needed. The plane can be turned around in the same time, or less, as the 744 using only single-deck boarding.



 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Wed May 19, 2004 9:20 am

If Boeing builds a new B 747, BA will likely order it. If not, then BA will likely order the A 380.

Rod Eddington once stated that BA will not be ordering anything for a while....
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Wed May 19, 2004 4:02 pm

I think BA will order about 20 A380's eventually for high destiny Asian and Australian routes!

I can't see how they plan to turn an A380 around in the same time as the 744 though or shorter, I mean QF can hardly even turn an A330 around as fast as a 744, as for an A380 I mean a double Decker plane with a full load of PAX and Cargo, it takes ages just to get off a 747, unfortunately all I can say for the A380 is good luck in terms of unloading in and reloading in less than 90mins, I think 90mins will be the minimum turn around.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A3

Wed May 19, 2004 4:18 pm

I think BA will order about 20 A380's eventually for high destiny Asian and Australian routes!


I'm thinking 10 myself. BA is not going to turn every 744 rotation into a 380.

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Wed May 19, 2004 5:23 pm

I also think that BA is going to wait and see. They don't seem to be looking for a replacement at this time and are doing well with the fleet they have. They know that although Boeing is focused on 7E7 at this time, there are people there that are looking at the A380 development and are potentially looking at the Boeing options to counter it or potentially offer something better. A smart player doesn't just go for one choice when they have the option to wait and right now BA's best move is to wait and see what comes along.

BA does a lot of business to north America, and I don't see the A380 serving routes there with the exception of LAX and SFO. As already mentioned, flights to JFK offer a high frequency and this is important to business travelers who would rather pick from a large number of available flights that suit their schedules rather then opt for fewer flights on potentially more packed aircraft. Chicago seems to be about the same way. The Asian market is a potential one, but I don't know if I can see BA buying an aircraft type for just those destinations. I've always understood that flexibility on route scheduling was a factor with aircraft types, considering how BA juggles many routes between 744s and 772s at different times of the year depending on passenger loads. With QF getting 380s, that allows BA to get some performance data on the planes without buying the aircraft themselves.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Wed May 19, 2004 9:43 pm

Besides they have so many B 747-400s and B 777-200ERs already.

If there is a market, Boeing will definitely build a new B 747.
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Wed May 19, 2004 10:25 pm

how would they configure a 388....? I presume they would put Club World on the lower deck, so they could get 8 across, First on the upper deck @ 4 abreast, in order not to waste too much space. Where would World Traveller and World Traveller Plus fit logically to use space most efficiently?
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Wed May 19, 2004 11:50 pm

As already mentioned, flights to JFK offer a high frequency and this is important to business travelers who would rather pick from a large number of available flights that suit their schedules rather then opt for fewer flights on potentially more packed aircraft.

I agree but BA won't get the A380 for another 5 years (*if* they get the A380!) and by that time, the increase of demand on a route like LHR-JFK should justify the use of 2 or 3 A380s (potentially replacing the same number of 744s).

This route has reached a point where adding frequency is not the best option...
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 12:38 am

The demand for LHR-JFK is driven by premium traffic. There are MANY flights that the back of the plane goes near empty (50 seats occupied out of 177).

Oddly enough, there is talk of adding one more flight to/from JFK. It looks like it would be a 2115 departure from LHR and the return flight would leave JFK at 2355 (making it the latest departure for us). We are hoping to have this on the fall/winter schedule. All of this to add more choice of frequency for our premium passengers!
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 12:42 am

?how would they configure a 388....?

I would imagine First class on the first deck near door 1L, then world traveller on the rest of the first deck.

Then Club World and World Traveller Plus on the top deck.

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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 12:47 am

I realize this thread is about BA showing interest in the 380, but...

Despite LHR refitting T3 to accommodate the aircraft, will the BAA follow through with everything required to process that many passengers. Anyone who has ever tried to make a T3-T3 connection, knows how lousy the transit facilities are. Will BAA staff more security check points so that it doesn't take an hour or more to enter the transit centre. Imagine queuing up after a few EK 380's have landed. What is that going to be like? Accommodating the physical gate space is one thing, the rest of the terminal still sucks! I just don't see BAA doing anything about that. Any comments?
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 12:49 am

If Club World were on the upper deck, would they not have to have an inefficient 2-2-2 rather than the 2-4-2 on the lower deck (assuming I have understood the cabin dimensions correctly)?
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 4:26 am

The demand for LHR-JFK is driven by premium traffic. There are MANY flights that the back of the plane goes near empty (50 seats occupied out of 177).

Wouldn't it make more sense then to configure a few 772s into very high density of premium seats (a la SQ)?
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 8:45 am

My I add that LHR are making its bridges and gates to fit and support the A380. LHR Is BA's hub  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. That's one of the things that is automatically kick out of the way. I wondered at the beginning why BA didn't place an order for the A380s. This will be BA's first 4 engine aircraft from Airbus

I hope the A380's make some kind of change in BA's fleet. Like some ...Retirements  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 11:26 am

YUL332LX,

That's a good question you just asked. With BA no longer flying the Concorde, how come they didn't modify a number of their 777-200A's into dedicated LHR-JFK planes fitted with more First and Club World seats, all with Boeing Connexion broadband Internet access?
 
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 10:15 pm

Thats if Ryanair hasnt taken over BA and replaced the 747 fleet with old 737-200's and a stop every 2000 mile on every route  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Thu May 20, 2004 10:26 pm

As everyone knows, the 747 Adv has been offered on and off by Boeing for just about the last 10 years. It is still quite a mystery, however, as to why Boeing haven't offered it.

Yes and no. Since the companies that need a superjumbo have now ordered one given the lack of a Boeing alternative, the market may well not support another plane in this space.

On the other hand, the 747Adv would be smaller than the 380 and it would (maybe) have commonality with current 744 fleets.

The mystery is solved since customers were not interested at the prices they could get.
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RE: BA Indicated Publicly Their Interest In The A380

Fri May 21, 2004 2:17 am

The 777s are undergoing a reconfigure. But, its not for JFK. Many 777s are no have F eliminated and J reduced.

The 744s that service JFK are very well suited...14F, 70J, 30W and 177M. If you tried to configure a 777 with additional F and J seats than there already are (14F, 48J, 40W, 122M) you would have an aircraft that is pure premium traffic. We would never do that with an aircraft as large as a 777. Maybe we will do something along the lines of what LH already does.

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