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Tue May 18, 2004 5:14 am

Have AA ever operated 747s? I think I saw a picture of 747 recently in AA colours and I was wondering if it was a some sort of marketing thing or the real deal.

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Tue May 18, 2004 5:16 am

This has been asked a few times.

AA operated a few 747-100s in the 70's. Two of those planes went to NASA to carry the Shuttle back and forth.

The also operated two 747SPs from 1987 through 1992. They used these primarily from DFW to Tokyo. I flew that run quite a few times, and it was excellent!
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Tue May 18, 2004 5:18 am

yes, they have:
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Tue May 18, 2004 5:32 am

Don't forget, one of those 747-100's went on to star in two of the sequels to "Airport".

You can see that happy ex-AA 747-100 in "Airport 75"
Imagine a cross-eyed Karen Black, coping with the sexism of the 1970's and still managing to keep her hair looking fabulous, as she tries to land a cripled 747-100 in SLC while knowing nothing about how an airplane even flies, all the while Helen Reddy dons a habit and guitar and sings to an ailing Linda Blair (exorcist fame). And yes, Charleton Heston actualy flew the 747-100 around the rockies himself for those scenic shots.

But, this plane went on for more...."Airport 77"
As if this poor AA 747-100 had not been through enough, it is now subjected to the horror of Jimmy Stuart and Jack Lemmon as it sinks below the Bermuda Triangle with 50 passengers aboard, one of which being a drunk Olivia DeHavilland, while the oxygen runs thin, and the plot even thinner.


I really hope these movies are not what AA had in mind when they sold the plane, no beautiful aircraft should have to suffer like that, Airplanes have rights too!
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 5:44 am

AA made public relations with their 747s in the early 1970s, they were the airline that introduced the 'Coach Lounge' Their loads were rather poor so AA turned the aft cabin into a living room with sofas, stand up bar and later an electric piano. I believe that this was also the time that they started calling the big planes the '747 Luxury Liner'
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 5:51 am

Nomadic: You are so correct! I flew on AA's 747-100's three times in the 70's on LAX-JFK. Great teenage memories! Big grin
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Tue May 18, 2004 5:51 am

If you do a search of photos on the home page, using 747 and American Airlines you will find almost 100 photos of various American Airlines 747 aircraft.
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Tue May 18, 2004 5:53 am

When the first Braniff went belly up, AA took over the DFW-LGW route with a 747-100, maybe the ex-Braniff "fat albert". That was in the early 80s and I had to drive past LGW on my way to work. It was the first 747 in flight I ever saw, and I nearly crashed the car.
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 6:59 am

Thanks for the memories, guys!

I, like many airliner fans, have never ridden a AA 747.

I have way, way too much experience with those god-awful AA MD-80's!!
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:17 am

You lot are all idiots AA have a massive 744 fleet.

 
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:18 am

In the late 70s at LAX, I recall one would arrive from JFK around 2:30PM and head back at 10PM. The once-a-day Delta 747 pretty much did the same thing, albeit to/from ATL (with a stop in DFW in one direction, IIRC).
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:48 am

Roberta, perhaps your comment should have been that they HAD a massive 747 fleet as I'm pretty sure that they don't operate any now. And I'm not sure all a.net members appreciate being called idiots (correct me if I'm wrong someone).

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Tue May 18, 2004 7:52 am

AA had a ew 747's but they flew people for a few years and then some of them were made in to freighter planes and the rest vanished.
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:52 am

hehe, i think you missed that one Bristol

PS: MakeMinesLax, Roberta (typo) is a he.

[Edited 2004-05-18 00:56:32]
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:54 am

Re: "The massive fleet"

Roberta's post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek (although she didn't indicate such). That's a faked photo - AA never had -400s
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:54 am

BristolFlyer: Dont worry it is just a joke they never flew 747-400. Only 747-100 years ago. That is a fake repaint of a 747.
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Tue May 18, 2004 7:58 am

I remember flying them LAX-HNL at one point in the early 80's, like 1982. I also remember seeing at least a few parked next to each other a LAX.
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 8:10 am

CXA340:
Excellent post!  Big thumbs up

I love those old Airport movies.
I have all 4 on VHS. I also have the soundtrack to Airport and Airport 1975 on LP and the 8track tape of Airport 1975.

Airport '77 inspired my intrest in aviation all together. So I do give those movies some credit.
I wish movies today were still made like that.


Movies today center too much around the main start of the movie. In Airport 1975 and 1977, the airplane itself was the main star of the movie.
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Tue May 18, 2004 8:17 am

Roberta (typo) is a he

Apologies - "shoulda" read the profile. I guess you hood-winked two of us today! Maybe you can get a hat-trick if somebody asks you about the weather in Micronesia  Big grin
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 8:24 am

Don't forget, the NASA shuttle carriers are both 747-123s too.
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Tue May 18, 2004 8:26 am

American's 747SPs came from TWA, along with the airline's Heathrow slots, right?

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Tue May 18, 2004 9:05 am

Ok, I'm new to the forum so I'm not yet up there with the jokes!

Flymia: 'Only 747-100 years ago. That is a fake repaint of a 747.'

Didn't realise they made the 747 100 years ago.

(Looks like I'm getting there with the gags...)

BF

PS Can someone educate me with your aircraft model numbering, when you refer to a 744 I take it this is a 747-400?
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Tue May 18, 2004 9:06 am

AA's two SPs did indeed come from TW, although I can't say if the slots were part of the package.
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 9:13 am

PS Can someone educate me with your aircraft model numbering, when you refer to a 744 I take it this is a 747-400?

737 =737-100
732 = 737-200
733 = 737-300
734 = 737-400
735 = 737-500
736 = 737-600
73G = 737-700
738 = 737-800
739 = 737-900

741 = 747-100
742 = 747-200
743 = 747-300
744 = 747-400

752 = 757-200
753 = 757-300

762 = 767-200
763 = 767-300
764 = 767-400

772 = 777-200
773 = 777-300

A306 = A300-600

A312 = A310-200
A313 = A310-300

A332 = A330-200
A333 = A330-300

A342 = A340-200
A343 = A340-300
A345 = A340-500
A346 = A340-600

A388 = A380-800

Im sure you're beginning to notice a pattern
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 9:15 am

BristolFlyer:
Pop quiz; what would a AA 722 be?  Smile
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Tue May 18, 2004 9:29 am

Re: Aircraft codes

I haven't looked at an OAG (Official Airline Guide) in a while, but I thought the convention was to refer the original (unstretched/"unshrunk") version as such:

747-100 = 747
757-200 = 757
767-200 = 767
777-200 = 777

If these codes were indeed revised once the new version were introduced (e.g. 767 became 762), why were the older ones left as-is? (i.e. why no "731")
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 9:32 am

Yes, AA did operate fifteen Boeing 747-100s from 1970 to 1984. The 747 was operated on their long-haul routes, such as JFK-LAX or ORD-LAX or JFK-SFO or ORD-SFO. The 747 was really too big for American's route network at the time and the airline never made a profit off the 747. So AA sold off its 747s. Most went to Pan Am. From 1986 to 1993, it operated two 747SPs, which were purchased from TWA. Again the 747SP was unprofitable for AA and the costs of having to maintain a small fleet of a specific type of aircraft were prohibitive. Since 1993, AA's largest aircraft has been the MD-11 or the Boeing 777.


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 Big grin


I have a 1979 ad for AA's 747 flights to Hawaii, with the slogan "AAloha".  Big thumbs up

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Tue May 18, 2004 9:34 am

I think the 747-100 looked best in American Airlines colors.  Big thumbs up
Anyone else agree?
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Tue May 18, 2004 9:34 am

maybe in the OAG (Official Airline Guide) but in OAG (Official Airliners.Net Guide) people tend to write 772 741 ect
 
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Superfly, really don't know!
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BristolFlyer:
Ok now. If a 732 is a 737-200 and a 742 is a 747-200, that means a 722 is a 727-200.
Ya see?  Smile
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Tue May 18, 2004 10:27 am

American did not fly to Honolulu in 1979. Service was revived in December 1980 from LAX and DFW. American Flew to Hawaii from 1969 to 1974 as part of it's South pacific network.
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Tue May 18, 2004 10:32 am

I wish we could have back the good old days when airlines like PanAm, Delta and American fly 747's transcon from NY to LA.
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Tue May 18, 2004 10:38 am

I gotta ask since it was brought up. Am I the only one who liked Airport 77? I think it is time for Airport '04. Tom Cruise can play the gay pilot who purposely crash lands a 777 in Masschusetts so he can get married to Dennis Rodman.
I'd pay to see that.
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Flybynight:
Scroll up to my post #17.  Smile
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Tue May 18, 2004 11:06 am

Superfly - The best airplane movie is still Airplane. I can NEVER get enough.
But, I agree, the Airport movies are a big part of my love of airplanes.
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Tue May 18, 2004 11:24 am

Two of those planes went to NASA to carry the Shuttle back and forth.

Don't forget, the NASA shuttle carriers are both 747-123s too.

-NASA only operates one former American 741 for SCA flights, reg N905NA. The other SCA 747 is an ex JAL 747SR-46, reg N911NA. The easiest way to differentiate between the two other than the regos is that the ex American bird has only two upper deck windows on each side. The ex JAL bird has almost all of its upper deck windows.

Again the 747SP was unprofitable for AA and the costs of having to maintain a small fleet of a specific type of aircraft were prohibitive.

-The actual reason is that American used the SP as a stopgap aircraft to handle the DFW - Tokyo flights that the DC-10 lacked in range prior to deliveries of the MD-11. This is the same reason Delta kept the Western DC-10s for a few years after the '87 merger. While your reasoning is partially correct, the SPs were never meant as a long-term solution.

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Tue May 18, 2004 11:25 am

Oh yeah, another favorite topic of mine...AA's 747s.  Wink/being sarcastic
American flew 20 various 747s over the years. 2 -121s, 16 -123s & 2 -SP31s.
One -123 is now the primary shuttle carrier for NASA, while the back-up carrier is a 747-86SR, once owned by JAL. Most of the surviving -123s are now with UPS, including N9675, the star of Airport '75. This is the one 747 I wish American would take back, repaint it in AA current livery, then display it at the CR Smith Museum south of DFW...right next to the DC-3 Flagship Knoxville. Regards.
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Superfly - I guess it follows! I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to a/c so treat me gently!

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Tue May 18, 2004 11:31 am

I really think AA should re-consider some 744 in their fleet. A380 would be too big for them but just 3-5 744 will do the job nicely (on routes such as JFK-AA), Japan">NRT, and also JFK-LHR) Which they seem to overbook most of the time on the 777. I think this might also bring their standard up a bit as well!
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 11:44 am

As nice as it would be to see AA using 744's the aircraft is simply not competitive enough anymore for AA to consider. The 773 or even the A346 would be much more suitable for AA if they ever wanted to explore larger aircraft but AA aren't really the large aircraft type.
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 11:49 am

I gotta ask since it was brought up. Am I the only one who liked Airport 77?

Nope...I love it, too! Classic! The cornerstone of the Airport series...

I think it is time for Airport '04. Tom Cruise can play the gay pilot who purposely crash lands a 777 in Masschusetts so he can get married to Dennis Rodman. I'd pay to see that.

LOL!!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up I damn near fell out of my chair when I read that! Great!

I also have the soundtrack to Airport and Airport 1975 on LP and the 8track tape of Airport 1975.

This is your world...the rest of us are just along for the ride. I had no idea a soundtrack existed for these movies! Hell, I'm still looking for the series on DVD!
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Tue May 18, 2004 11:52 am

Tradewind and Flagship, ya'll took the fun out of my evening.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I was going to take the time to post the entire list of AA 747s, but I won't now. Unless someone wants the list.
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Tue May 18, 2004 12:16 pm

Oh hell, I have no life. In order of msn they are:

N740PA 19647/16 a -121A
N743PA 19650/24 a -121A
N9661 20100/46 a -123
N9662 20101/57 a -123
N9663 20102/59 a -123
N9664 20103/65 a -123
N9665 20104/69 a -123
N9666 20105/77 a -123
N9667 20106/79 a -123 (the airport '75 airplane)
N9668 20107/86 a -123 (now with NASA)
N9669 20108/87 a -123
N9670 20109/90 a -123
N9671 20323/115 a -123
N9672 20324/119 a -123
N9673 20325/125 a -123
N9674 20326/133 a -123
N9675 20390/136 a -123 (the Airport '77 airplane)
N9676 20391/143 a -123
N748WA 20652/211 a -273C
N749WA 20653/237 a -273C
N601AA 21962/439 an SP-31 (ex N57202)
N602AA 21963/441 an SP-31 (ex N57203)

Guess that covers them all. The things I do for you all.
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Tue May 18, 2004 12:33 pm

AA's not really the large aircraft type? Hmmm if i remember right AA is the largest wide body operator in the world.

A300.........59
767-200.....?
767-300.....?
777-200.....45

Either way i think they have 150-160 wide bodys. I think your trying to say that AA isnt a very good cantedate for the 747/A340.
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 12:44 pm

The original airport does rule. Dean Martin is fan-fucking tastic as Captain Vern Demorest. This is by far my favorite airplane movie. If i ever want to look back at how flying should really be i watch that movie. How everyone dresses up, acting like flying really is a big deal...thats fucking it man. Thats the type of shit that made me want to be a pilot. The romance. That is my backup movie also, if im in the mood to watch a movie but nothing sounds good, i can always pop in Airport and expect to be entertained. I want to be Dean Martin in that movie. haha.

this dialogue rules!:

Schuyler Schultz: [pointing out the window] Before, Virgo and Leo were right there, sir. Now I'm beginning to see Ursa Minor and Cassiopeia. We MUST be turning around.

Capt. Vernon Demerest: You have a young navigator here! Well, I'll tell you son... Due to a Cecil wind, Dystor has vectored us into a 360-tossen of slor traffic. Now we'll maintain this Borden hold until we get the Forta Magnus clearance from Meldings.

Schuyler Schultz: Oh... yes... of course!

Mr. Schultz: What did he mean by that, son?

Schuyler Schultz: Never mind, father, I'll tell you later.

anywho, yeah. my movie rantings. I <3 Airport
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Tue May 18, 2004 12:45 pm

Actually, a 737-200 (whether it's /ADV or not) is (USUALLY) referred to as a 73S (and NOT 732) in scheduling and in ATC. Since, for the most part, all -100 series 737's are either WFU or W/O, you often see a -200 being referred to/handled as, simply, a "737."
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Tue May 18, 2004 1:05 pm

Bobs 89

since when was a 772 anywhere near the size of a 744.

and since when did widebody mean large. Do you know the 762 is smaller than the 753.

good god.  Insane
 
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Tue May 18, 2004 11:03 pm

IMissPiedmont, a friendly correction for you on your great list. You have the 747s appearing in Airport '75 and '77 backwards. It was N9675 that played the Columbia bird in Airport '75, while N9667 played the Stevens bird in Airport '77. BTW, where did those 2 -273s come from? I don't recall American having any World Airways 747s. Was it a wet-lease deal, or something else? Regards.
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