kcrwflyer
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West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 12:21 pm

Hello! I am new to the forums , so please give me a break if I do anything wrong, it wont happen again.

I was wondering if anyone here was farmilliar with Yeager Airport in Charleston, WV, or for that matter, any airports in Southern West Virginia. I'm from Charleston and was wondering if our airport's recent news was getting out to the aviation community.
 
Cody
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 12:58 pm

Hello,

I also live in West Virginia......the Eastern Panhandle to be exact. And even though I am a fellow West Virginian, I still don't know the news you are referring to. I am familiar with the airport though, as well as Bluefield, Beckley, Elkins, and Parkersburg.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 1:53 pm

I live in florida but visit family in st albans regularly so i know alot about kcrw. The airport as seen a good bit of growth in the last 5 years and I know they wanted to build a new airport to replace yeager and huntington's airport. I think those plans have fallen through because of money, practicality and the fact that they have been renovating yeager for a few years now.

Personally, I would like to see a mainline plane join all the crjs, beeches and saabs in crw but im not holding my breath. Its a nice little airport with a nice approach over the valley and river.

Juan CArlos
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kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 2:08 pm

good to see people appreciating yeager.:D
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 2:46 pm

Might have the airport management keep their schedules on the website for CRW updated. Looked on Sat and showed scheds from May 2003!

Planning a trip to CRW in July or Aug. BOI-IAH-CRW on CO Express, then back via XJ to DTW then NW to BOI. Or UA/UA Express CRW-ORD-BOI.
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 8:58 pm

Sprxflyswa, You wanna definitely take the route through united. The flight to Detroit is almost 2 hours on a saab. And the rapid message is okay the first half an hour but after an hour or so it hurts. The Ord service is a Crj though, and its operated by Skywest. You'll most likely get a jetway by going this route.

There is also a regional airport debate. Some think that we need to build a multi runway operation, to hold future demand. Do you guys think that Charleston needs a larger airport? Population is about 250,000 in the whole area from one end of the communities connected to Charleston to the other. Personally, I think that if Yeager had a new terminal, everything would be okay.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 9:43 pm

Hey KcrwFlyer-

I'm also from Charleston. Always good to see my home town represented here.

I don't think we need a new airport- at least not now. There simply isn't enough demand for air travel here right now to justify building a newer, larger facility- not to mention the money they've already invested in Yeager. If they were to build a new facility, much of the cost would likely be passed on to the airlines using the airport, who would likely increase ticket prices. CRW ticket prices are too high already. Some local people (mostly politicians) try and push the idea that we will gain more airline service by building a bigger airport. I work for the airlines and can guarantee that this would not be the case. If Yeager ever starts to become overcrowded, then build the new airport. For now and the forseeable future, Yeager is perfectly adequate.

On a different note, look for CRW's first low-fare service later this summer!
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Tue May 18, 2004 11:16 pm

Hey FlyKCRW! nice to see a charlestonian. Im also excited about independence air, hooters, and possibly a continental to newark. Also the new regional jets coming.

You are a pilot AWESOME!! What airline do you fly for, and what aircraft type? Dp you find the Yeager approach difficult and dangerous as the port authoity says it is?

Also, im hoping that Northwest will get us an Rj soon.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 12:20 am

Hey KcrwFlyer-

Expect Independece Air in July. Had'nt heard about Hooters. I expect if they ever came here I'd start jumpseating a lot more.  Big grin

I fly CRJs for ACA/Independence Air. Approaches into CRW are a challenge, but I wouldn't call them dangerous. Gusty and variable winds around the hilltops can make flying the approach a bit of a workout sometimes- even if reported surface winds are failry light or even calm. Also, valley fog rolling up the hill can be a little tricky. The runway lights can be clearly visible most of the way down the approach with mostly clear conditions on top of the fog bank- then disappear a couple hundred feet above the touchdown zone, requiring a missed approach. To answer your question: no, I don't consider approach and landing at CRW to be dangerous, but it is a challenge and requires some special consideration and planning. The same is true for all airports in West Virginia or anywhere terrain is a factor.

 
MainRunway
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 1:52 am

I live in WV and am very familiar with almost all our airports. The new regional airport is not dead, but it is very sick and I personally don't think it's needed. Yeager is going ahead with plans to fill in the valley at the approach end of runway 23 and extending that main runway to 7000 ft. Most novice people don't think it's worth the expense for just a 600 ft extension. The fact of the matter is, it's going to be a 2600 ft extension....1000 ft. overruns at each end, making the total length 9000 ft. Why Yeager people are not making this point crystal clear is a mystery. They keep stating it's a 600 ft extension and fail to mention the total length with the overruns included. Also, they're working on having mainline jets overnight at CRW in order to have a few mainline flights. They would charge a very nominal fee to overnight compared to larger airports. Any other questions or comments about any WV airport.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 4:53 am

It's nice to see news from WV. I now live in NC but was born in S. Charleston and my first flight was from CRW on an American L-188A Electra to DCA and IDL. I have many fond memories of the airport when it was wide open and then closed in. I flew on United's Viscounts, DC6s, 727s, and 737s; Piedmont's YS-11A; and Lake Central Nord 262 out of the airport. The idea of a CRW-HTS joint effort has been talked about for years, at one time in the Teays Valley area but now that area is built up if I'm not mistaken. I often visit the Yeager web site to see what is the latest. Keep us posted. (By the way, the largest aircraft I've seen there is a DC-8 United operating a charter to HNL via LAX)
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 5:11 am

I used to fly in Piedmont's YS-11 aircraft from CVG to BKW with 1 stop at CRW. I loved it. Miss Piedmont Airlines. How about you?
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 5:15 am

I didnt know that yeager was trying to get mainline jets overnight. I do know that it is very cheap to park them there though.

FlyKcrw, Your a CRJ pilot. cool. So independence air is coming you say? wonderful. We can then take back all of the business that columbus stole. Regarding the approach into charleston, there is a strong assumption that every aircraft that lands must tuchdown, and immeadeatly brake, reverse, and speedbreak. Is that true? also there is another rumr that every aircraft must use full power to takeoff, from what i understand thats higher than normal takeoff power. Please clarify this. do you fly the crj, or the frj?

MAINRUNWAY, do you work for an airline in Yeagerairport or in Charleston, How do you know this ?
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 5:28 am

just call me an aviation nut that loves our in state airports and would love to see them all prosper. I travel around the state a lot and I'm frequently stopping at airports all over the state. I talk to employees of FBO's , airport managers, local pilots, etc. The part about parking the mainliners at Yeager over night was actually in the newspaper recently. They mentioned a possble late evening flight from EWR to CRW on a 737 which would park at the gate overnight and retun to EWR very early the next morning. The part about the runway extension is pretty common knowledge although as I said, the real length of the extension is 2600 ft. not 600 ft. You flew ys-11's into BKW?? Was that before of after the construction of the long runway 1-19 ?? If it was before, what was that like landing there on the original 5000ft runway?
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 5:29 am

My dads side of the family is from the Charleston area so I spent alot of my childhood flying back in to KCRW. My dad still goes back often as his company is based in Charleston. I remember the days of Piedmont and UsAir very well. I also remember that 146's, 737s 727s and DC-9s serviced KCRW along with plenty of EMB-120s and Dash-8s in the 80s. It seems that the RJs are taking over. I was just thinking the other day how long its been since Ive been back. We are in Socal now so our best route is on DL through ATL. I do remember some fun approaches into CRW though.
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kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 5:48 am

Cool ppl. I thought you ment mainline from a major. HOoters air is what you are talking about. How do you get in and talk to managers and Fbo's and stuff? i sure would like to do that. And FlyKcrw, do pilots make a lot of money and do you own a plane?
 
MainRunway
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:16 am

I'm sorry.....that's a CO flight to and from EWR from CRW not Hooters.
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:23 am

Oh REELY! I didnt hear about that. Do you have a link to were you got that from? I had no idea that continental would do that. Thanks
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:31 am

For any of you WV aviation experts...what's new with MGW and CKB? I know that CKB went through a runway extension and can now handle jets. I also read about MGW looking to extend their runway as well. I'm kinda surprised that more airlines haven't looked into these airports. With WVU, Mylan Pharmaceuticals, the FBI, etc., I would think there is more of a demend. I know PIT isn't too far away, but still. I am actually a WVU alum and would love to have a n/s PHL-MGW. Might be a bit much in a 1900D, but I don't think a Dash 8 would be too much. Thoughts?

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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:47 am

US653....see the new thread about west virginia runway extensions for info on CKB and MGW.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:52 am

kcrwflyer.....I did not save my link to that article, but it quoted airport management from crw. It also mentioned a possible USAir overnight parking mainliner. It makes sense, big airports charge airlines a ton for parking overnight at a gate. If CRW cuts them a break, they could get a couple of nice main line flights, even if they are real late at night or very early in the morning.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:54 am

colgan air flys B1900D's to both of these airports from Pit. Also there is a BKW-CKB-MGW-PIT, visversa. Basically, after going to all of these airports on the way to Pit, the Beechcraft isnt full. This used to be operated by a Do328. Its not profitable at all, and from Phl, not even.

KCRW is the only place in West Virginia with variatey as far as air service. And those companies, have their own jets, small lear jets that they have at those airports.

Everytime the Wvu football team flys somewhere, they get a miami Air 737-800 out of Yeager.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 6:59 am

CORRECTION: WVU Football now charters out of CKB now that the runway extension is done. They also use two different charter companies now...Planet Airways and Sunworld Airlines, both use 727's.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:03 am

For the gator bowl, They took a miami air 737 800 out of charleston, WV. It was on Flight tracker and in ther paper.
 
US653
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:13 am

They used to flt TWA charters from PIT until they started flying from CKB.

Since when did Colgan start flying the CKB and MGW flights? I thought they were flown by Air Midwest/Mesa. The last time I flew from MGW it was at least. I also didn't know that Do.328s were used.

Thanks for the other info though.

Jeff
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kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:14 am

im not exactly sure when they started. "www.colganair.com" look at that. it has the route map.
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:23 am

that Gator bowl charter out of crw was for alumni and other fans, not the team. I have a good friend in the wvu athletic dept who gives me all the charter info so I can go spotting at CKB.
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:26 am

Cool. You reely have connections. Did you get any photos of the airctaft?
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:31 am

kcrwflyer....try this link for info, then I'll give you another link for a photo or two. www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=4927&cat=exclusives
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:40 am

Cool. Thanks, Have you ever done any spoting at Yeager?
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:53 am

many many times. I'm their twice a month or so. the best places now are the top floor of the parking garage and up by the radar antenna past the Executive Air Terminal. A couple of years ago...(prior to Sept. 11) I went over to Coonskin Park and climbed up to the approach end of runway 23. I wanted to see first hand the task of extending that runway. It was a hell of a climb...damn near straight up in some places with really thick brush. I made it up to the perimeter fence though right at the runway end. Got a great view of some take offs and landings including a Comair CRJ and a USAir DC-9.
On the climb back down it was almost dark and I almost stepped on a rattlesnake. If the damn thing wouldn't of rattled while I was still 10 feet away, I would've never known it was there. Did that link work to the article about MGW?
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 7:57 am

yes, the link worked. When you spot do you take pictures and if so where can i see them?
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 8:09 am

once in awhile I'll take some pics but I'm really not much of a photographer. My real interest is in the location of West Virginia's airports and how they can be expanded to land whatever type of aircraft that wants to use them. I would like to see every regional WV airport have at least a 6500 ft runway and places like crw, ckb, lwb, hts, mrb, bkw. pkb have 7000-8000 feet. as you can tell, things are happening at crw, mgw, ckb, cbe etc. lwb is already at 7004...(I've seen two different 747's in there) A rafting company charters 727's into bkw from time to time. you know I'm sure that C-5's have been into Yeager. So things are looking up for the expansion and modernization of our airports. you've got to go to www.maacinc.com and thouroughly check out ckb.
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 8:19 am

well yea. Dont slouch on yeager's visits. we get 757's we had an air jamaica 767 about 10 years ago on an emergency i believe. We get every boeing under 757 as charters frequently. The c-5 galaxy doesnt need much runway at all. Runway expansion isnt necessary for it. It normally gets off the ground in about 3,000 ft. Were always getting diversions, and emergenys. I dont know why we get so many.

I just saw an ERJ-145 depart for PHL. I Saw it from my house. It took off, turned over the city, was heading in that direction, and then retracted gear. It was a very wierd site to see. Why would this happen, such late gear retrieval? Ive seen other aircraft do this also, mainly the Emb-120 to ATL many years ago, its been a crj for 4 years or so. ANy answers appreciated
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 8:29 am

i have a friend who uses that phl flight at least once a month. don't know why such a late gear up. Well, I'm going home. I'll get back on the board later from home. I've found this exchange very interesting. we could have more crw discussion or we could change to any other wv airport you would care to talk about. Even small fields like Mallory. I have some Mallory stories. As well as BKW, LWB, BLF, MGW, CKB, PKB even Elkins, Swope Farm, Logan Coonty, Mingo County, Summersville, Braxton County, Wheeling HLG, you name it. I think I've been to every little grass strip in WV that is on AIRNAV or the charts. Lots of stories to tell. see ya'
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 8:32 am

good then. im eager to learn more about Wv airfields
 
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 9:18 am

This is an interesting thread, even though I'm not from WV. I'm confused about the rwy extension. Overruns are not usually counted as usable runway and are not even stressed to take the full weight of the aircraft on a regular basis. Maybe I'm missing something here, but to me, it seems like an effective increase of 600'. Anyway, just a minor quibble and I'm glad to see a different place discussed for a change!
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kcrwflyer
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RE: West Virginia Regional Airports

Wed May 19, 2004 9:39 am

Here in West virginia, all of the airports are on hills. Therefore we have to move large amounts of earth to legnthen runways. Were not counting overruns as runway but as space needed to be leveled.

Check this out for more info about yeager http://crw.natca.net/photos%20and%20videos.htm

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