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SAA Considering A380 Order

Tue May 18, 2004 10:51 pm

Interesting article in this Week?s Flight. An SAA order for six Airbus A380s to replace the company?s Boeing 747-400s is expected by early next year. The plane would be used on flights to London (from both JNB and CPT) and to Frankfurt, depending on future demand.

(Nothing that new, it was previously rumoured last year)

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Tue May 18, 2004 11:22 pm

Honestly, do they really need the A 380? No A VS B please.

Heard that they will keep the B 737s as well as the B 747-400s for a while
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Tue May 18, 2004 11:25 pm

The 737s are on a relatively slow replacement cycle.

The A380's increased range could be advantageous to SAA on several routes.

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Tue May 18, 2004 11:29 pm

Probably more to do with A380's being able to fly hot and high out of Joburg with just slightly larger loads than their 744's can handle at this moment.

Or would it be the case that SAA is severely slot restricted at LHR?
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Tue May 18, 2004 11:32 pm

After reading a lot of threads on SAA and their operations here in this forum, Ive noticed that alot of their problems at least on the JNB-JFK route is that they like to take a lot of cargo and pax and often end up missing the mark and making tech stops.

I do not know as much as Id like to on aircraft usage and logistics like that, but it would seem to me that in this case:

1) Even if they do not fill the airplane with full passengers (I dont know the popularity of CPT-LHR or JNB-LHR...) then they can use the extra weight savings to carry more cargo or freight...

Is this a fair though? Trade one for the other?

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Tue May 18, 2004 11:42 pm

I think what SAA really needs is a plane with less weight restrictions from JNB on long-distance flights--or they should redo their timetable for the JNB to JFK route so it factors in the need to stop at the Cape Verde Islands.

Maybe SAA should trade in their current A340-600 fleet for the A340-600HGW when that becomes available? With the range of around 8,000 nautical miles the A346HGW should be able to fly JNB to JFK non-stop with a reasonable load almost year-round.  Smile
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 12:02 am

So where do they fly their 744s to?
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 12:09 am

Now that VS delays introduction of its A380s SAA might get a sweet deal on those initial airframes (Similar to what they got on the original A346s which weren´t taken by SR if I am not mistaken).

And I strongly believe that SAA could very well use a small number of A380s for the above mentioned routes.

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 12:13 am

I know that LHR gets 4/5 flights from SA a day! usually 4744's and 1 346!

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 12:16 am

From what I understand about SAA's dynamics, cost structure, routes, growth outlook, and pax loads. . . . . .I'd have to say that, unlike many other airlines, the A380 would probably make a great fit with this airline. Especially when you take into account the growth curvature over the next 10-15 years.

I, for one, don't have much doubt that we will see the A380 in SAA colors.
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 12:25 am

SAA fly there 744 to LHR and then the other 2 into Africa. They are really badly slot restricted to LONDON. They get offered gatwick slots some time and in return they want BA to have heathrow slots which is balls.

Ok tonight from Johannesburg to London there are 6 flights. 2 BA 2 SAA 1 VS and 1 CE. In our summer again there will be 10-11 flights a night for some nights others it will be 8-10 from South Africa to London. There are 2 or 3 flights from CPT-LHR tonight.

SAA could really use other more slots in summer. They are starting CPT-Frankfurt and another carrier might start JNB-Munich.
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:04 am

I agree with DIA that the A380 makes sense for SAA, especially for their routes to Heathrow. It looks like LHR is going to be A380 country as airlines seek to increase the number of available seats without increasing the number of flights. I believe BA is eventually going to have to order it to keep up with the competition.

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:16 am

Interesting point about BA, Ralph,
With BA still using the 747 extensively on it's route structure and at one time operating the world's biggest fleet of the type I am sure that the A380 could fit in with their future plans.
The only problems seems to be, that the type is made by Airbus and not Boeing and as we all know with the exception of their A320 / A319 fleet BA loves to buy American.
If it wasn't for government pressure on engine choice, I think they would source their powerplants from the states also.
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:18 am

They are starting CPT-Frankfurt and another carrier might start JNB-Munich.

LH already operates a seasonal (winter only) MUC-JNB service 7X weekly.  Smile

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:21 am

I think the A380 will be unstoppable.

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:26 am

It is nationwide that want to start the service. from JNB-MUNICH
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:41 am

I think that the A380 would make perfect sense for above mentioned routes (LHR/AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA). With AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA being the most important Star Alliance hub in Europe the A380 could very well be needed to meet increased demand to more transferring passengers to Eastern Europe, North America and North Africa. Since LHR is quite obviously right now the only route where 744s are needed capacity wise (the US routes do fine with the 346 and 343 right now capacity wise) this would be the second destination which would make sense for A380 operations. Lets assume you put two A380s daily on JNB/LHR and one daily on JNB/AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA you would need 6 A380s which would exactly match above insinuated order number.

Moolies,

SAA is also viewing MUC for future expansion.

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 1:44 am

Any chance of SA coming back to MAN? With their imminent entry into STAR, surely some kind of SA/BD SA-MAN route is on the cards?

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 3:24 am

I would love to see the day when they do come back to MAN, but at the moment I can't see it.
At any rate, the route would be best served with a lower seating capacity than 747 or A380.
The A340-300 or even the A330-200 would be ideal, say three times a week.
By the way, does anyone how bad the load factors were when the route was pulled last time?

Oh well I can but dream.
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 3:28 am

No doubt SAA need the A380. JNB-LHR is one of the busiest routes form LHR out of all airlines all airlines and SAA can not get any more slots there.
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 3:44 am

and SAA can not get any more slots there.

not necessarily true.They picked an additional 4 weekly slots last year.
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 3:49 am

The A380 is a perfect for SAA. If SAA could get more slots at LHR they would take them,the traffic between LON and SA just continues to grow, as it will in many other countries as they discover SA as a business and tourist destination.

It is just a matter of time,but SAA will order the A380.

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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 4:31 am

Pretty interesting. Does anyone have the article?

Umm..... wonder how long will they keep their B 747-400s for. Afterall they have been upgraded sometime ago. How many do they have? Guess they will still be around for a while.
 
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RE: SAA Considering A380 Order

Wed May 19, 2004 5:25 am

Getting off the topic here for one second. Dealing with the slot restrictions at LHR, does anyone know if these slot restrictions will still exist once terminal 5 is opened? I heard that BA was to move all of it's operations into the new terminal 5 once it's open. This would open much needed gate space at the other terminals that are currently being used by BA. No arguments towards the A380, but if that would be the case, I for one would believe that SA would not be looking into the A380 for slot restriction purposes but rather the need to increase it's payload on certain routes. It's already been discussed before that SA frequently fills it's aircrafts with a full load of freight and pax, the A380 would fit in their fleet just fine, no suprises here.