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EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 12:39 am

EMA have recently reported that passenger figures are down 1.5% in the month of April. Doesn't look too good really does it? I think it may have been a bad choice to change the name of the airport to Nottingham East Midlands. I also heard that other airports' passenger numbers were on the increase. Hopefully May will be a little better for EMA.

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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 12:43 am

I also heard that other airports' passenger numbers were on the increase.
Newcastle is increasing every month thanks to easyJet  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Would expect EMA to grow again soon though
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 12:52 am

I know quite a lot of people who have gotten VERY annoyed with the name change of the airport, and im sure there not the only ones.
And yes, I can see that theyve made the change to attract more 'foreign' visitors - but they should put local customers first!
 
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 12:57 am

I also heard that other airports' passenger numbers were on the increase

For April EDI's passenger figures were up 9.4% on last April!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
The 'rolling year' total was up 7.1%  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
Skymonster
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 1:20 am

I don't think its got anything to do with the name change. Its got to do with the fact that people are realising that all of the airlines at NEMA offer p**s-poor service, that the queues for checkin and security are often so long that you could drive to BHX in the time you stand in lines at NEMA, and passengers are finally waking up to the fact that when they do drive to BHX the parking will be cheaper and the "real" airlines will often offer far better service at a not much higher price. NEMA has rapidly become a low cost ghetto ("all shaggers and boozers" according to one person I know who works there), and some people who want more are realising there's a viable alternative and are starting to kick back.

Sad thing is, no doubt May's numbers will be up with the transfer of Ryanair services from BHX (I bet the airport won't publish like-for-like numbers May-03 versus May-04), and that'll make the bean counters believe that they're on the right track again.

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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 1:34 am

Andy, all airlines serving EMA are "real" so I'm not sure what you're saying!

As for bad service, well, I think that's a fairly subjective point of view, especially when you consider that it is low-cost airlines such as easyJet that are helping to drive pax numbers up all over the country. If the majority of people thought these airlines represented poor value for money, I don't think they'd all be rushing on weekend trips to Prague or Milan...

Don't personally know anything about EMA, however I do work for one of the airlines mentioned.

Why not reserve comment for when figures for the whole year emerge?

 
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 1:43 am

Well Thomas Cook will be starting flights to Sharm El Sheikh from EMA in the winter  Big thumbs up
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 2:22 am

Provisional monthly passenger % changes for April 2004:

STN +33.9%
MAN + 17%
LHR +14.9%
EDI +9.4%
LGW +8.3%
GLA +7%
BHX +4%
EMA -1.5%
CWL -7%

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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 4:14 am

Skymonster, I work at the airport and it aint all shaggers and boozers. It aint helping when bmibaby cancel flights left right and centre. Easy will add more flights soon and with new routes that will be starting soon, who knows.

Regarding the SSH flights Horus, where did you hear about that???? whos going to operate and what days??

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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:20 am

Still 12% up on a rolling 12 month basis! With the good months to come.
Other Easyjet bases are down on numbers look at Liverpool!

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/200404/April_2004_Provisional_Airport_Statistics.pdf


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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:42 am

BDRules

The SSH route will start on November 4th on a weekly basis with B757 with Thomas Cook.

Here is the email I got from the airport confirming this:

Dear ****

You will indeed be able to travel to Sharm el Sheik this winter from NEMA. We will be launching details shortly, however, the flights will be operated by Thomson holidays and are available to book now. Please visit www.thomson.co.uk or your local travel agent for more details.

Regards

Louise Hodson
Press Office
t 01332 852890
f 01332 852959
m 07880 787519
For 24 hour access to press releases and other useful information, please visit www.emapress.com


Up until know Brits could only reach SSH from LHR, LGW and MAN, but from this winter Birmingham, Luton, Glasgow and Newcastle will get new flights to the Red Sea Resort.
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:44 am

Good old BFS holding its own up 13.9%
and BHD up 15.9%.
 
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:47 am

Sorry that was transport movements I quoted.
Terminal passengers up 15.5% at BFS and 3.9% at BHD.
Sorry, such a fool.
 
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:51 am

Heard the EMA flights would be operated using A320s...
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Horus
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:54 am

Gkirk, the first 3 flights will be A320 and then upgraded to 757 onwards
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 7:59 am

If you think about it this is nothing unexpected!

Both BMI Baby and easyJet/Go started operations at the airport two years ago and they have over these years been growing their networks from the airport.

As the airlines have now matured and routes are well established growth will severely begin to slow.

I think both airlines have come to a conclusion that EMA offers only a limited catchment area/population and can only offer a certain number of flights. During this times easyJet has grown significantly at it other established bases and BMI Baby seems to be focusing it's future growth at MAN.

Anyone know how LTN is performing in the passenger league tables as this is on the CAA link?
 
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 8:04 am

I hear WW is dropping EMA-BCN soon also...
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 8:19 am

GKirk - Thats right they are dropping the BCN route from June.

It has been discussed in a previous link:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1568585/4/

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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 5:12 pm

Whoops, I knew I read about it somewhere, but couldnt mind if it was Pprune or here Embarrassment
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 5:22 pm

Skymonster said: Its got to do with the fact that people are realising that all of the airlines at NEMA offer p**s-poor service

DoorsToManual said: all airlines serving EMA are "real" so I'm not sure what you're saying!

BDRules said: It aint helping when bmibaby cancel flights left right and centre.

I rest my case!

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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 6:16 pm

Its also a case that when Low Cost carriers compete neither make any money, and the growth can't continue.

Look at the difference between EMA and BRS growth.

Also notice that the two airports showing negative growth are WW based airports. The airline over expanded into loss making markets.
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RE: EMA Passenger Figures Down Again

Thu May 20, 2004 9:46 pm

BDRules said: Skymonster, I work at the airport and it aint all shaggers and boozers

Sure its not all... But the average "quality" of the passengers has gone down.

There's only so many people want to take weekends in Prague, etc, and when they've all done it the market contracts. What NEMA needs for long term sustainability of its route network is regular business travellers who pass through the airport week in, week out. Whilst some of them have adapted to the low-fare-carrier regime, many have gone to BHX where the airlines typically offer a quicker service (in terms of checkin, security, etc), a more reliable service, and the extras such as through checkin, that the regular passenger demands. Fairly soon after Baby started I predicted that the growth wouldn't last, because the low-fare market is too fickle. The only way they can sustain growth is by bringing in new airlines (Ryanair), or by the based airlines introducing new destinations that bring new appeal to the weekend-away folks, and the shaggers and the boozers.

When BMI synically reinvented their NEMA operations as Baby in response to the commencement of services by Go, they did this party because they were scared that Go would take some of the fairly low yield back-cabin traffic which, whilst it didn't make BMI much money, still contributed usefully to their DOCs - even though there was reasonable front-cabin traffic on some routes, the back-cabin made a difference in terms of sustainability of the routes. What actually happened was that they drove away some of the premium traffic, and much of that was the repeat business that the airport needed to sustain and grow its figures over the long term.

What BMI should have done, in reaction to Go, was leave the cheap end of the market to Go, and swapped out the 100 seat Fokkers for 50 seat Jungle Jets operated by BMI Regional - by doing that, they could have retained the top end of the market by delivering what that market wanted, whilst at the same time reducing their dependancy on the back-cabin which they were going to loose anyway.

Anyway, no doubt the numbers will turn upwards again with the start of Ryanair service - this will largely counter the loss of BCN services, and the time it will take Easy to develop Rome and Cologne. The bean counters in the office will no doubt have happy smiling faces again as soon as the numbers coming through the door increases again. But for how long? A few new charter destinations will held, and if Ryanair adds yet more services next winter or the summer after that no doubt the numbers will continue upwards, but if the route network remains fairly static as it has done this last year I see further declines to come in the medium term.

Andy
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