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Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 2:39 am

Fares for flights within Switzerland seem very expensive indeed, even for dates months ahead and during the week. For example, a one-way fare on Swiss from Zurich to Geneva in September would be 323 CHF. The return fare is less, but still a lot of money. There is clearly quite a lot of demand between the two cities, evidenced by Swiss operating a number of flights every day.

The high to very high fares and the number of flights by Swiss lead me to believe that a no-frills, low-cost airline could perhaps do quite well in this market, by, for example, operating two 48-seat ATR-42s (one based at Zurich, the other Geneva) and one operating 6 rotations from Zurich to Geneva and the other 6 from Geneva to Zurich per day (perhaps less at the weekend), giving a total of 12 daily flights between Zurich and Geneva and Geneva and Zurich every day (again, perhaps less on the weekend). A total of 576 passengers could be carried every day between Zurich and Geneva and vice-versa. Fares would be priced on a one-way basis and would reflect the demand (so weekends and peak flights would be more expensive than off-peak mid-week flights) and number of current bookings (so essentially the earlier you book, the cheaper the ticket). The turnaround time would be 25 minutes. What do you think? It’d bring low fares and high frequency to those travelling on the Zurich-Geneva-Zurich route.
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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 3:38 pm

Hi,

It could be a good idea! EasyJez wanted to operate this route but had problem with Zurich Airport. EasyJet said that this airport is far too expensive.
Why not Fly Baboo to operate this route?

 
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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 4:43 pm

Fly Baboo? What on earth does 'Baboo' mean? Sounds like a character from a Disney film.
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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 7:31 pm

Hi

There were rumours last year that a new domestic airline wants to start flights within Switzerland with ATR 42s and PC-12s (!). But it seems that nothing happens at the moment.

The SWISS flights between GVA and ZRH are mainly to feed the ZRH hub with connecting passengers, I don't think that there are a lot of business people going to ZRH for a day and back by plane. The Swiss trains are quite fast and comfortable. And it takes you from city centre to city centre.

Oh and BTW, there is a company called Club Airways, linking GVA with BSL and ZRH (but for prices way too high for me Big grin )

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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 8:00 pm

Despite the high fares, the GVA-ZRH route is not profitable, as it lacks O&D traffic due to its feeder role. However it's an important service for Swiss' image in the French speaking region of Switzerland.
It would be cool if another airline could serve this market, but I doubt LX would remain idle. They would probably lower their fares to the same level as their competitors since they already lose money on the route anyway.
And when I was at EZS, I heard one of the reasons we didn't start GVA-ZRH was because of high fuel taxes for domestic flights. LX's GVA-ZRH-GVA flights are usually continuations of international trips, and they are therefore able to buy most of its fuel tax-free. EZS wanted to have a single plane doing the shuttle and therefore it would not fly internationally.
 
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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 8:14 pm

EasyJez wanted to operate this route but had problem with Zurich Airport. EasyJet said that this airport is far too expensive.

It's very funny that EZY still operates quite a number of flights every day to ZRH from LTN. I thought they have problems with Zurich Airport...? That's only an excuse so they could give up the LGW-flights as they badly needed their LGW-slots for other flights!
 
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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 8:21 pm

Unique: According to Ray Webster (easyJet CEO) they will most likely withdraw the ZRH-LTN route very soon as well as the flights from Munich.

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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 8:28 pm

There's no need for another airline as long as you can do the trip by train almost in the same time. There's just not enough O&D traffic.

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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Thu May 20, 2004 9:25 pm

There's very little market for O&D ZHR-GVA and v.v. The majority of the traffic is connections at ZRH and much of it is LX online connections, particularly since SR (now LX) substantially reduced the range of destinations they offered direct from GVA. Most city-to-city traffic uses the train.

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RE: Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?

Fri May 21, 2004 12:33 am

As said by others, GVA-ZRH vv. is mainly feeder traffic for Swiss and Swiss partners long-haul flights ex ZRH.

There is a train between Zurich/Zurich Airport and Geneva/Geneva Airport which runs every 30min and takes around 3 hrs.
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