Businessboy
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KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Thu May 20, 2004 9:37 pm

Hey guys,
This Wednesday the 26 i will fly to London via Amsterdam with KLM.
I was just wondeering if someone knew what aircraft they will use. Im also intrested in how this new Business Class is, its called SELECT, is it a lower product than other J classes? Has anyone ever flown in this class, if yes, how ar Long time since i flew KLM, really lookie the meals, any in-flight entertainment, seating? I heard that KLM does not really have any different seating in their J classes. Can anyone confim this? Anyway, im looking forward to this trip.
Thanks for any comments,
BUSINESSBOY  Smile

[Edited 2004-05-20 14:45:33]
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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Thu May 20, 2004 9:55 pm

I flew Business Select from VIE to AMS earlier this year. The food and service is about the same as it had been, however, much to my irritation, they have added a seat and it is now 6 across on the 737 rather than 5. To be a little immature I have to say that the seating now "sucks". But this is the trend in Europe I guess.
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Businessboy
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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Thu May 20, 2004 10:32 pm

I totally agree, i like the way, no middle seat, at lufthansa.
Its so stupid that they added another seat on each row!

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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Thu May 20, 2004 10:49 pm

Ah, you have hit upon one of my pet hates.  Smile

The short version is that KLM's "Europe Select" is awful and offers no value for money. Main reason: lousy, cramped, narrow seats in a 3-3 configuration, which means you can get stuck in a middle seat. When that happens, even reading a newspaper becomes difficult, let alone working on a laptop in a modicum of privacy. Seat pitch is no better than in economy (they claim to give you an inch or two extra, but it's not enough to make a difference). And there's something about the new seat design that gives me a pain in the neck when I try to sleep.

They do still give you a newspaper in "Europe Select," but to have any choice you need to be in the first rows. If you're in row 6, your favorite newspapers will have been taken. The food and drinks service is better than in Y, but I don't really care too much on short intra-Europe flights. It's never been very good, and I prefer to have real meal when I arrive. Other supposed benefits of Europe Select are the priority boarding lines, but they seldom work.

Since KLM introduced Europe Select, I have been avoiding them as much as possible in order to fly with airlines that do offer a real C class with a comfortable, big seat and some privacy. Add to that that KLM has been using more and more their Cityhopper subsidiary with F70's (which do not even have Europe Select, only Y) even to destinations like FRa, the conclusion must be that KLM has given up on the premium business market.

However, you may be in luck!  Smile Due to scheduling issues I recently had to fly KLM to LHR and back, and the 737-900 I was in did have the old 2-3 configuration with the better seats. What's even better, some of the morning flights are operated by 767-300's which have the long-haul (old) World Business Class seats. They are woefully inadequate for long-haul for but short-haul to LHR, they're the best any airline offers.
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Businessboy
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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Thu May 20, 2004 10:59 pm

WOW! Thanks for ur comment!
I hope that the trip will go okey, hope the flight is not full so i may have the chance to move around......
Thanks for the comments!!!!
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Businessboy
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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Thu May 20, 2004 11:02 pm

Anyway, are there some other airlines i can fly with and earn air miles on my KLM flying dutchman card?
Air France??
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WearyBizTrvlr
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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Fri May 21, 2004 12:53 am

I actually don't know what the situation is with AF flights; haven't flown on any yet since the takeover. I think you should be able to get FD miles on those, but the full integration of FF programs is still a ways off. I fear for the worst, because KL does have one of the more generous programs.

On European flights, you can earn FD miles on certain codeshare routes. For instance, OK to PRG, Aer Lingus to Dublin, Maersk to Billund, etc. You do need to be booked on the KL flight number though. Outside of Europe there's NW and CO as the main partners. Until KLM officially joins SkyTeam, the pickings in Europe will be slim.
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RE: KLM New Business Product ( Select )

Fri May 21, 2004 10:45 am

As of June 1st, you will be able to earn miles on your Flying Dutchman card on all AF operated flights codeshared with KL or not.
Vice versa also; members of Frequence Plus can earn miles on all KL operated flights and flights operated by another carrier with a KL prefix.
But just as WearyBizTrvlr stated, you will need to book it under a KL flight number.

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