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Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 8:32 pm

Does anybody employed at TK know more about this news?
Which aircraft types are we exactly talking about?

Turkish Airlines talks to Boeing, Airbus on planes
Reuters, 05.21.04

ISTANBUL, May 21 (Reuters) - Turkey's national carrier Turkish Airlines (THY) IS> said on Friday it was in talks with U.S. aircraft maker Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people) and Europe's Airbus on the purchase or rental of new aircraft.

THY general manager Abdurrahman Gundogdu told reporters 12 or 13 rented planes would enter the fleet in June. The state-run airline, slated for privatisation, said late last year it would acquire 19 new aircraft.
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 9:12 pm

I am not a TK expert, but if i remember correctly from an artical I read last year, they were looking for 3-4 more longhaul aircraft to operate to the US, Canada and ?Brasil?. The rest were all short to medium haul aircraft.

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 10:01 pm

More 737-800s and 3-4 A330s were rumored recently... They need something to replace the 310s with. Those they have are barely enough to fly to DEL etc. I think they intend to fly to YYZ, BOM, and increase services to DEL, not possible with the amount of planesx they have now... Brazil is totally news to me, I really doubt it. Even if it does happen, it'll be no more than twice a week. Can a 343 fly IST-GIG/GRU??
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 10:18 pm

Which European routes will be considered?

Heard rumours about a Istanbul-Oslo route earlier this year!!

 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 10:37 pm

EverettWA,

I just found on the Airbus site www.eads.com the next info regarding the range of the A340-300:

Range (max. pax) 7 200 (7 400) nm / 13 350 (13 700) km
nm = nautical miles

Took a look in 1A (Amadeus CRS system):
IST to GIG = 8101 nm
IST to GRU = 8073 nm

Hopefully this answers your question regarding the range  Smile
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 10:39 pm


I expect TK to use 738s on short-midium haul routes and Airbuses A330/A340 on midium-long haul routes...
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 10:51 pm

EverettWA,

Here are the complete range details of the A330 / A340 family:

The distance between Istanbul and Rio/Sao Paulo is:
IST to GIG = 8101 nm
IST to GRU = 8073 nm

A330-200:
Range (max. pax) 6 450 (6 650)nm / 11 950 (12 350)km

A330-300:
Range (max. pax) 5 600 nm / 10 400 km

A340-200:
Range (max. pax) 8 000 nm / 14 800 km

A340-300:
Range (max. pax) 7 200 (7 400) nm / 13 350 (13 700) km

A340-500:
Range (max. pax) 8 650 nm / 16 050 km

A340-600:
Range (max. pax) 7 500 nm / 13 900 km




 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Fri May 21, 2004 10:59 pm


TK does not fly to Casablanca.They could stop over the North African capital on the route to South America !!!
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 1:03 am

For sure at least 02 Airbus A340-300 will be in order.

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 1:50 am

Hello to all,

Couple of days ago, since the RJ's grounded, Turkish Airlines announced that the company will lease 5 A-320's and 2 A-321's for the coming summer season.

Also, TK is planning to have at least 100 aircraft in two years. Cities like Toronto, Washington, Lagos, Oslo, Casablanca, Bombay, Johannesburg, Cape Town are the potential destinations THY want to fly in the near future.

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 3:36 am

TK001,

That is a surprise. TK has never operated A320 family type aircraft.

Weren't the A310s sold to Air Mahan/Iran Air a couple of years ago? How come they stayed with the airline?
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 5:30 am

According to FI, TK have 15 738 still on option, so i guess that means a Beoing order for short-haul aircraft will simply be conversion of options.
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 5:40 am

OD720.... it is wrong.

THY operated A320s in the past just like they are gonna employ them temporarily this summer on wet lease. I think those aircraft came from Aer Lingus.

Yes, a number of sold to Mahan and Iran Air but there are still 4 of them in the fleet.
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 6:38 am

How bout THY joining an alliance this summer??????? I have heard good things about them, and I always see their aircraft pop up in the oddest of airports that I would never expect them to fly to (like Shanghai and Singapore)
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 9:23 am

Hello from the northernmost capital in the world - Reykjavík -
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Here is some follow-up news regarding my posted thread.

Friday, May 21 2004 @ 01:44 PM Central Daylight Time

Turkish Airlines is in talks with U.S. aircraft maker Boeing and Europe's Airbus on the purchase or rental of new planes, the national flag carrier said.

THY general manager Abdurrahman Gundogdu said he expected the talks to be completed by the end of the year. He told reporters that 12 or 13 rented aircraft would enter the fleet in June in place of 11 RJ type planes which have been temporarily withdrawn from the fleet for maintenance. "We have signed contracts on 12-13 planes. These will be put to use at the end of May or in June," Gundogdu said at a signing ceremony in Istanbul.

The number of planes in the THY fleet fell to 53-54 planes as a result of the suspension of the 11 BAE Systems (BA) regional jets. "This figure will rise to 65 in June. Our fleet will rise further this year to 67-68 (planes)," he said.

The state-run airline, slated for privatisation, said late last year it would acquire 19 new aircraft.


 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 9:50 am

THY will be leasing 6 ex Swissair A319/A320s for delivery starting June to help offset the drop in capacity as a result of the grounding of its 11 RJ75/100 fleet.
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 10:58 am

Well, looks like they'll go either A340-500 to do the Brazil flights OR 777-2LR/3ER.

Will the 777-3ER do the GIG run? I cannot remember the range.

Also, what happened to the Avros? Some problem?

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 11:01 am

777-300ER's range is 7700nm's

I doubt TK will get a 772LR, that doesnt do commonality any favours
 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 4:16 pm

That is a surprise. TK has never operated A320 family type aircraft.

OD720, that's not correct. Have a look:


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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 4:44 pm

TurkishSky and Unique,

I didn't know it, thanks for your remarks.

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 5:24 pm

I always see their aircraft pop up in the oddest of airports that I would never expect them to fly to (like Shanghai and Singapore)

There has been an airlink between IST and SIN by SQ and TK for nearly 20 years. SIN is actually the first long haul destination for TK (even before JFK). There is a big leisure and business traffic between the two destination. You should also keep in mind that there is some size of Turkish population in Australia. That's why THY & Qantas have had this special agreement thru SIN for many years.

Shanghai is relatively new destination for THY but it has been so popular (mainly business traffic) that THY wants to fly daily.

What was odd for TK was CGK which was part of the network for a few months few years ago. But it was purely political....

I do regret the JNB & CPT service has been suspended. They are planning to start again but here comes the shortage of long haul aircraft again.

There are few other long haul destinations THY dropped quietly (MIA, KUL and recently KIX). I do hope to see them back to these destinations again.

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 5:54 pm

THY likely operate direct flight (3 flights weekly) to HKG at the end of 2004 instead of IST-BKK-HKG. Becasue of THY really short of the long hual aircraft, that's the reason we soonest will see them order at least 02 A340-300.

Recently, THY being co-operate with Cargolax HKG-IST cargo flight since 04 months ago, I am wondering they will order cargo aircraft????

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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 7:53 pm

Personally, I do not believe that THY will fly in to Brazil yet. I do not see them filling the plane. There is not much a business and tourism link between two countries.

 
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RE: Turkish Talks To Airbus/Boeing On Planes

Sat May 22, 2004 8:00 pm

TO: TK001

I agree with your personal opinions.

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