northernlights
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Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Fri May 21, 2004 11:23 pm

Just picked this one up from the internet...
So it's a fact!
Source: Russian Novosti Press Agency.
Just wondered what your reactions are to this thread, and if you see SKYTEAM now emerging as an alliance to watch out for as KL, NW, CO and others will join soon too?

2004-05-21 15:03 * RUSSIA * AEROFLOT * ALLIANCE * JOINING *

AEROFLOT JOINS SKYTEAM ALLIANCE

MOSCOW, May 21 (RIA Novosti) - Aeroflot is going to join the SkyTeam international alliance founded by Air France and Delta Airlines (USA) in 2000.

The official agreement on the accession to the alliance was achieved on Monday, May 24, an Aeroflot spokesperson said.

"The accession to the alliance implies the unification of sales, booking and route systems," she added.

The SkyTeam alliance includes AeroMexico, Alitalia, CSA Czech Airlines, Korean Air (South Korea) and KLM (Netherlands).

SkyTeam offers about 8,200 daily flights to 512 destinations all over the world. The alliance handles 228 million passengers annually.

Russian passengers are expected to gain by Aeroflot's joining the SkyTeam alliance. Now the main Russian carrier has to meet international security and service standards. On the other hand, Aeroflot will have to raise ticket prices by $30-$40 for the same reasons.

 
A388
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 12:07 am

When looking at the US connection possibilities (DL/CO/NW), I think SkyTeam is definately an alliance we have to watch out for. I wonder if the US regulatory authorities (such as the DoT) will allow DL/CO/NW to join forces (through a much closer codeshare agreement as mentioned in the past).

Regards A388
 
scottysair
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 12:13 am

Well, is that for SU are join with the SkyTeam very soon.
 
FlySSC
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 1:29 am

AF/KLM 's CEO, J-C Spinetta will be in Moscow on Monday. The official announcement should be made for this occasion.

SU's managers finally won, as they've always expressed their preference for Skyteam, while the Russian government, for political reasons, was pushing for the integration of SU into Star Alliance.
 
keno
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 1:35 am

I guess SkyTeam overall route map is getting closer and closer to the one I forsaw when I started this thread a while ago...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1445800
 
L410Turbolet
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 1:55 am

Aeroflot? Insane
I was more hoping for some airline from SE Asia to fill-out SkyTeam's big "hole" in it's network - Australia/New Zealand.
 
keno
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 1:57 am

It's no rocket science that the big "hole" you mention can only be filled by Malaysia Airlines  Smile
That would definitely add some class to the alliance.
 
L410Turbolet
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 2:08 am

KEno: I'm all for it! Yesterday was already too late!!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up
 
scottysair
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 3:47 am

Yeah, come on of you guys and this is none have any problems at all.
 
Marcus
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 4:11 am

The other big hole in this alliance is South America
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scottysair
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 4:56 am

Maybe if they want to make choose of those airlines to join with SkyTeam.
 
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Aeroflot777
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 6:25 am

Can anyone please provide a link to the article, because I've searched 3 Russian newspapers and Aeroflot Company News and still didn't find this info anywhere. Well anyways, if this actually does become a reality then this will be absolutely amazing!! Aeroflot has a lot of airline partners which include:
Spanair
Air France
Adria Airways
Aegean Airlines
SZA Czech Airlines
Polish Airlines
Skynet Airlines
Air-India
Аэрофлот-Дон
Cathay Pacific
Qatar Airways
So joining SkyTeam will be great! Can't wait to hear more news about this.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 6:29 am

Per the post on why Star Alliance will always go strong, Aeroflot from what I hear has terrible service (although
that may be changing). However I am just in love with Aeroflot's new livery and think it looks absolutely beautiful on their A320's and A319's.

KEno:

MAS in Sky would definately make MAS one of the "top airlines" in terms of service and reliability in Skyteam, I'd be ecstatic if they joined.



SIN > CVG > BOS
 
tu154m
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 6:41 am

Well, as great as it sounds, it is still a pain in the a** as everyone entering Russia needs a visa as do Russian citizens entering foreign countries................really a leftover form the Soviet days. Red tape really sucks!!!!!
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northernlights
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 9:40 am

Hello Aeroflot777,

I found the "breaking news" on the site of Novosti www.ria-novosti.ru
But I think some employee there made a mistake, as you can see in my first message, they were supposed to release this press article first on Monday 24 May...
(quote) "The official agreement on the accession to the alliance was achieved on Monday, May 24, an Aeroflot spokesperson said." (unquote)
So by accident the article leaked out to the internet. They now have taken away the article from their site, but I found proof of the authencity of the article on the Pravda website, see next link:

http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2004/05/21/54054.html

Well.... I think we must then congratulate eachother, me being a Dutchman (but living in Iceland) and you being a Russian: both our airlines KL & SU joining SKYTEAM, hehehe...  Big thumbs up
 
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Aeroflot777
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 11:45 am

LOL. yeah, congrats...
Thanks for making this clear, I kinda missed the part about Monday.
 
L410Turbolet
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 2:30 pm

Aeroflot777:What's the relevance between airline's non-alliance partners and its alliance membership? Every airline has a network of bilateral codeshare partnerships, so what are you trying to say?
And by the way, it's CSA Czech Airlines not SZA... Sad

TU154M - Apparently GWB took a lesson from that and turned everyone entering the US to a presumed criminal, who needs to be fingerprinted  Angry
 
FlySSC
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sat May 22, 2004 6:23 pm

SQ452,

Most of the people talking about Aeroflot on this forum NEVER flew the airline... just repeating over and over what they heard from" the-best-friend-of-the-sister-in-law-of-the-neighbour-of-their-uncle"...

The fact is that Aeroflot today is an excellent airline, with standards of security and service on board equivalent and often superior to some well know western/US airlines.

SU in SkyTeam is an EXCELLENT news for ALL the SkyTeam partners !

 Big thumbs up
 
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Aeroflot777
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sun May 23, 2004 4:19 am

L410Turbolet,
The list of partners I mentioned above, I copied and pasted from Aeroflot's website, so they are the one who made the mistake. I sent them an email about it.
As to your first comment, there is no relevance. All I'm saying is Aeroflot is doing great by getting all those partners, and that joining an alliance is an even better step for them. It's as simple as that!

Aeroflot777
 
SCRAMJET
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sun May 23, 2004 6:04 am

Adding Aeroflot to SkyTeam, along with the future additions of CO and NW, has got to bring SkyTeam close to the size of Star, да?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sun May 23, 2004 6:17 am

it is still a pain in the a** as everyone entering Russia needs a visa as do Russian citizens entering foreign countries................really a leftover form the Soviet days. Red tape really sucks!!!!!

Tu154m, it is more a pain in the ass that Mexicans entering the U.S. need a visa (whereas Mexico imposes the visa requirement to citizens from few countries). And now it's not just the visa anymore, but the fingerprinting too. I have only been to the U.S. once since the fingerprinting thing started and it was strictly business, whereas I used to visit the U.S. for pleasure four times a year or more. I don't see myself visiting the U.S. for leisure purposes anymore for a while, I rather spend my pesos shopping in Madrid or Buenos Aires rather than in New York or Houston. In any case, communist past is not the only reason why visa requirements exist all over the world.

Back to the topic at hand, I have read here that SU has improved a lot in the past years so their entrance to SkyTeam should be great for the other SkyTeam members and for SU and Russia. Besides, as Russia continues expanding, air traffic will increase so I think the entrance of SU it is a victory for SkyTeam.

About the comments on the regions that SkyTeam needs to cover in order to achieve truly global presence, I think MH will join soon and SkyTeam will have better coverage of Australia and New Zealand thanks to the numerous MH flights from KUL; I really look forward to that. As for South America, I would love to see JJ join SkyTeam... hopefully AF can convince JJ to join; if not, AR would be okay.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sun May 23, 2004 7:58 am

Yeah, SkyTeam needs to have some new members in the SE Asia/South American regions. I think that AV would be a good choice for SkyTeam in the South America, Copa too would be good. In SE Asia, MH is the obvious choice.

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RE: Aeroflot Joins Skyteam Alliance

Sun May 23, 2004 8:01 am

Can anyone with more "insider info" confirm rumors, that Aeroflot joining ST was pretty much political decision and that Air France was the one pushing most for this deal while DL, OK and others were not too excited about the whole idea. SkyTeam supposedly made heavy concessions to SU that STAR, who was also considering SU, was not willing to make. For example SU will be allowed to keep Russian hardware in the future.