CougarAviator
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Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 2:53 am

Is it true that Boeing will stop production? If so why?

I'm not sure if the topic has already been discussed.

It's just a shame to see such a pretty bird go into "production retirement"....

I've always been a big fan of the 757......

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airways6max
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 2:55 am

Boeing announced the end of the 757 line a year ago. This is old news. However, I'm sure the 757 will still be flying for another thirty years.
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 2:59 am

The reason why is that it just wasn't selling in the numbers required to make it viable any more. Also, to some extent it would have competed with the 7E7, so with orders barely trickling in, Boeing decided to end production.

I agree that it's sad, the 757 is a great aircraft.
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CougarAviator
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 3:02 am

What is it about the 757 that makes it so unattractive to buyers?

And why would the 737 be more attractive?

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USairways16BWI
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 3:41 am

this may be sad, but true. the 737 is doing much better than the 757.
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 3:46 am

And why would the 737 be more attractive?

Because the 737NGs & A32x can do just about everything the 752s can do, except transatlantics; and they can do it with less aggregate cost.

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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 3:46 am

First of all, the 757 market has been beed from below with the A321 and 738/739 seating only marginally fewer passengers. Since most airlines that require new 180-200 seat aircraft already fly the 737 or A320, why introduce a completely new aircraft to their fleets? Secondly, the airliner market has been terrible for a few years now, and airlines are looking to smaller aircraft to provide higher frquencies instead of larger aircraft to increase capacity with the same frequency.

The bright side of the coin is that the 757 has much better airfield performance than either the 739 or A321, so used 757s will probably sell like hotcakes in the not too distant future (i.e. the rumor about HP buying ex-National 757s). These lovely birds will be flying for quite some time to come since they still have excellent economics and meet stage 4 noise standards.
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 5:11 am

Aviation Partners Boeing has signed up with Continental to certify and place winglets on CO's 757's. Once certified other carriers will have the opportunity to add the winglets to their 757's, which should improve their performance, and extend their usefulness as used aircraft through the years. Unfortunately, the demand wasn't there to keep the line in production.

[Edited 2004-05-21 22:12:45]
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 11:34 am

I still don't understand to this day the move by Boeing to kill the 757. No orders? Bull. Hell, they only have orders for 5 777LR's and yet they are continuing with that.
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 11:37 am

how short are they going to make the shrink 7E7, because the current one is the same size as an A300 and that's quite a bit bigger than the 757.
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 11:42 am

Right now, FM and MF still have B752s waiting a BFI, ready to be delivered.  Smile
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 11:51 am

I still don't understand to this day the move by Boeing to kill the 757. No orders? Bull. Hell, they only have orders for 5 777LR's and yet they are continuing with that.

There's a difference.

One is a new airframe with a bright future, being built on a hot line that builds other fast selling types.

The other is a 20 year old airframe being squeezed from both above and below, that shares no common production line.

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[Edited 2004-05-22 04:52:23]
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sat May 22, 2004 8:23 pm

Boeing nut,

To add to what Gigneil already said, the 777LR is a dirivative of the 777, and the 777 line is doing very well. The 757 was an entire airframe program. The 777LRs can be weaseled onto the 777 production line, while the 757 is a production line all by itself.
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sun May 23, 2004 11:46 am

One is a new airframe with a bright future, being built on a hot line that builds other fast selling types.

I doubt they'll sell more than 50 because it' a niche' aircraft.
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RE: Future Of The 757

Sun May 23, 2004 1:38 pm

The question asks, the future of the 757: One of them seems, to fly for LB! That would be great because it would displace the good and reknown, but really old 727's.
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 12:47 am

"I'm sure the 757 will still be flying for another thirty years. "

Sure as hell! Even after they get too old for passenger services they will continue as freighters.
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 5:18 am

I doubt they'll sell more than 50 because it' a niche' aircraft.

First of all, Boeing has two trump cards with the 772LR that could easily increase that airframe's sales.... should the market dictate.

But anywho, and more importanly... it doesnt really matter how many of the 772LRs are sold post launch, because as has been said earlier, it costs Boeing virtually nothing to continue offering them as they're built on the same line as other 777 types.

Boeing however, could close a lagging porduction line, and then take a more than hundred-million dollarwriteoff by ending 757 production. Plain and simple.
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 7:01 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Boeing is going to launch a longer-range version of the 739, which project is currently named 739X or something like that. This would be, in my opinion, the replacement of the 752.
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 7:36 am

The launch is still not 100% certain, and while the aircraft would most likely prove an adequate counterpart in the transcon market, it will not be a perfect replacement for the 752's performance.
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 7:44 am

The 757 is one of my favourite a/c, both to fly and to look at while spotting. AA recently replaced it's 738 service to Antigua with 752's much to my delight. It's performance is loads better!!!

It's a pity economics should dictate the production demise of this beautiful bird!
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 7:56 am

I think this whole thread can be summed up in 2 words:
"What Future?"
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Mon May 24, 2004 1:55 pm

First of all, Boeing has two trump cards with the 772LR that could easily increase that airframe's sales.... should the market dictate.

Care to elaborate?
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 1:32 am

Care to elaborate?

Not really, seeing as I've done it ten thousand and one times here before.

Nutshell: freighter, superMTOW 772ER
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 1:37 am

I've asked this before but no one seems to know the answer-when I enter a 757 it seems to be bigger than a 737-is this an illuision. I know the width are the same. Is the 757 fuselage more oblong and thus higher-or is it that it sits higher off the ground?
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 1:55 am

I've asked this before but no one seems to know the answer-when I enter a 757 it seems to be bigger than a 737-is this an illuision. I know the width are the same. Is the 757 fuselage more oblong and thus higher-or is it that it sits higher off the ground?


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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 1:56 am

Northwest will fly theirs for at least another 50 years  Big thumbs up
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 1:59 am

but how about the height of the cabin
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 3:08 am

Care to elaborate?

Not really, seeing as I've done it ten thousand and one times here before.




Thanks anyway.  Yeah sure
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 5:45 am

What aircraft could serve the same routes as the B757?
That is, carry approx. 200 people 3800 NM?
The 737 family lacks the range and the A330 is too big.... Confused
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RE: Future Of The 757

Tue May 25, 2004 11:21 am

Nutshell: freighter, superMTOW 772ER

I think you meant one other trump card. The 772LR is nothimg more than a "superMTOW 772ER".
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RE: Future Of The 757

Wed May 26, 2004 12:11 am

Doesn't NW have the oldest fleet in the US airline list?
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RE: Future Of The 757

Wed May 26, 2004 1:00 am

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cun757
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RE: Future Of The 757

Wed May 26, 2004 1:03 am

Its sad to see that the must beautiful plane its gone...
757 forever
 
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RE: Future Of The 757

Wed May 26, 2004 9:34 pm

Northwest will fly theirs for at least another 50 years

Darn right, and they should. Their DC-9's are reliable and the 75 has always been a reliable plane. Do you blame them for saving money flying darn good airplanes, rather than ordering brand new Scarebuses?

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RE: Future Of The 757

Thu May 27, 2004 12:55 am

I think you meant one other trump card.

I think you missed the italicized comma...
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