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New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 1:21 pm

New Competitors for Airbus and Boeing. Forget about A vs B, this could mean A vs B vs Embraer. I know this is not new. A mew generation of Aircraft Manufactures are growing right under our noses. Embraer was already out there with a few aircrafts, EMB-110, EMB-120, EMB-135, EMB 145, EMB 170, EMB 190 and 195 . Embraer is a small airline manufacture that can be a threat in the future
Embraer was founded in 1969,( A year older than Airbus Industry) has been fairly successful in the regional jets.
Will this Airline Manufacture become as successful as today's world leading manufactures. Are they signs of world leading success ?

check this out. Just copy and paste to your browser

http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/images/articleimages/pdf/beat.april04.pdf

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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 1:27 pm

I am very much looking forward to the possibility of Bombardier building a larger aircraft. I would love to see them expand the line up.
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 1:43 pm

I would also love to see the same, though some manufactures that starts out as a RJ manufacture will most likely stay as a RJ manufacture. Embraer on the other hand have RJs and A320/ 737-600 sized aircrafts which means something. Ether they want to be a small aircraft manufacture or slowly grow. Airbus started out with the A300, A large medium-ranged aircraft. Which meant they wanted a place in the big league. Boeing did the similar thing.
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 1:55 pm

I also think this might be a very interesting change in future competition. Embraer builds some wonderful aircraft, and I think they're perfectly capable of building competitive aircraft to match Airbus and Boeing products. But, I think they're gonna have to work extremely hard to even get in the ropes, since a lot of airlines have either a whole lot of Airbus or a whole lot of Boeing aircraft, where an Embraer would make no sense to be added in, therefore, I believe it's not gonna happen for a long time.

( This time I DO have a back up source NWA742)

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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 2:06 pm

NWA742
Do you think Airbus will buy Embraer.( If they see an interest in them) This was what I thought at the beginning. That Embraer was apart of Airbus.
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 2:12 pm

I certainly hope Airbus will keep their filthy paws off of Embraer!!! I realize that they already control a 10% stake or something like that, but still... no mergers between manufacturers, please. We are already bad off without Douglas. (Competition wise, I mean... their products of late were... uninspired and underengineered, I will admit)

That would be as ridiculous as Boeing buying out Bombardier. No way! Don't do it!
 
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 2:26 pm

NWA742
Do you think Airbus will buy Embraer. This was what I thought at the beginning. That Embraer was apart of Airbus.


I'm not really sure of that. I've never heard of Airbus having any kind of plans to acquire Embraer, but I could be wrong. It would be news to me.




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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 2:49 pm

I don't forsee Airbus or Boeing buying either of the regional builders at this point in time. If they wanted to compete with them in the marketplace either is capable of building the aircraft to do it. While the development of aircraft for these markets would be expensive, it would be far cheaper than buying either company out. Of course that's just an opinion.
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 2:50 pm

No mergers between manufacturers

Mergers are great in many ways and sometimes bad.

Bad- reduces competition
Good- the airline manufacture gets good grades on design and style with the combined forces
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 4:26 pm

In contrast to some here I DO see the regional manufacturers being bought out by the big boys at some point.
At the moment they're no real threat to anyone's market except their own, but now that Embraer is starting to have an impact on low-end sales of Boeing and Airbus you can bet the big bullies around town are going to try to stem the tide.

Airbus buying Embraer and doing a Fokker on them (iow, killing them quickly) doesn't seem so far-fetched to me.
Boeing purchasing a controlling interest in Bombardier is also quite possible.
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 8:12 pm

"Embraer is getting its easy way in the Airline Industry, Who is Embraer's competitor?"

Er... Bombardier?

"Boeing purchasing a controlling interest in Bombardier is also quite possible."

That would be strange if it happened... Boeing buys De Havilland, sells it because it's not doing well enough, Bombardier takes over and now there's a possibility of Boeing buying a controlling stake again? Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sat May 22, 2004 8:39 pm

Actually Embraer is linked to European aerospace companies.
In 1999, Aerospatiale-Matra lead a French consortium (including Thomson-CSF, Dassault Aviation and engine maker Snecma) in taking a 20 percent stake in Embraer, paying an estimated $200M.
Aerospatiale-Matra now is part of EADS, and EADS has a minority stake in Dassault Aviation (I'd say 47%). Thomson has been renamed Thales a few years ago.

I don't know if there's any collaboration in the civil jet field between Embraer and Dassault (which makes the Falcon jets), but they do work together on the Mirage 2000BR military fighter project, which is a Mirage 2000 designed for South America.
 
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RE: New Competitors For Airbus And Boeing

Sun May 23, 2004 12:11 am

Embraer is getting its easy way in the Airline Industry, Who is Embraer's competitor?"

''Er... Bombardier?''

Bombardier seems to be doing a bit better than Embraer with their RJs. I first thought Embraer was about 14 years old because their aircrafts look a head of time. Like the shape of the nose and winglets, they were the first thing I instantly noticed. The A320/737 sized aircraft how ever have have not be so successful with many airlines. I only saw EMB-120 in Untied Colors and the EMB-170 in US Airways Express and soon JetBlue in the 190 colors ( one-hundred  Wow!f them ) .
http://investor.jetblue.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml ticker=JBLU&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=430867
( threre is a paragraph that explains it)
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