SA006
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3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:29 am

Hi there  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

3 airlines are thinking about starting up to Johannesburg, South Africa. The three are Gulf Air, Qatar Airways and Thai Airways.

This would be a great boost to South Africas trade to the middle and far east. Thai are looking at the BKK-JNB route as SAA dropped this route last year and with SAA joinign Star Alliance Thai would have better connections into Africa and South America

Great News  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:31 am

Qatar Airways confirmed, that they will start service into JNB eff. 15JAN05. They will operate with 4 weekly 332 services ...


Didn't GF confirm their JNB services yet?
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:41 am

I would love to see Delta fly into JNB since they now punted the ball with SAA and lost the codeshare

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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:44 am

GF used to fly to JNB, didn't they ?

You'd think that at least one North American carrier would find it worthwhile to fly to SA - SAA must be making a PACKET on that route.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:47 am

It is still a rumour but TK is also planning to return to IST-JNB-CPT-JNB-IST service once the problem of shortage in the fleet is taken care of...
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:49 am

You'd think that at least one North American carrier would find it worthwhile to fly to SA

...AA would love nothing more than to fly SA - Florida">MIA-CPT/JNB: but they wont do it without a new pilot deal (similar to their HKG ambitions); as well as unless the government allows them to do it under ETOPS180 as opposed to 138, which doesnt seem likely to happen any time soon either.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 3:51 am

Would AA be able to operate MIA-CPT/JNB nonstop in both directions with a 777 ? Any idea where they might stop en route, if not ?
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 4:01 am

GF did fly to JNB in the ninties by the way

Really angries me that no American airlines fly to South Africa.....if AA did have to do MIA-JNB they might stop in the Cape Verder because thats where airlines like SAA stop on route to JFK or ATL

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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 4:03 am

By the way......YEMENIA (!!!) have started Sanaa-Dar Es Salaam-Johannesburg with A310's and arrive at 3:15 am...seems like middle easter trade is boosting here  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 4:50 am

An American based carrier would do quite well flying into South Africa, even if they charged a lot more than SAA. Why?

Because most people here only know what they see on the news, and all you see on the news here is horror stories about African airlines.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 4:59 am

I have heard that the main reason SAA switched from BKK to HKG is because of a codeshare with Cathay. Do people know if this was the main reason, or if SAA was disappointed with load factors out of BKK? The latter would seem a little doubtful if Thai is looking to start service. Plus, with SAA joining Star, do you think that the route will stay in HKG? I must admit that I was a little surprised this past winter when stepping off a Thai flight from BKK to HKG to see a sign for passengers transferring to the evening SAA departure to Jo'burg.

Also, I agree that it would be nice to see someone like AA going to South Africa.

Finally, I agree with Aviationwiz about our media and their protrayal of African airlines. In their defense, the majority of crashes are often by less safe carriers, and they are not going to go out and report how the daily SAA flight arrived on time, etc. It is too bad though, since it really casts a bad shadow on some airlines like SAA, Kenya, Egyptair, etc.
 
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 5:01 am

Add Air Canada to the list. Short of having an A340-500 available to operate YYZ-JNB nonstop (the two upcoming A345 aircraft have been designated on YYZ-HKG-YYZ), marketing has been considering a YYZ-MAD-JNB routing utilising the A340-300.

Won't go into the validity/benefits of this route, as it has been discussed several times before. With SAA joining Star, this could only benefit the merit of commencing such as service.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 5:34 am

I've taken the SAA flight from HKG-JNB 3 times this year. It has been full both ways each time, including high yield Business Class ( 48 seats) being full.

People might not realize that Mainland Chinese traffic to South Africa is huge, both business and leisure. The Chinese are investing heavily in South Africa, especially in JNB. There are always many group tours on these flights (from China, Japan and Thailand).

If TG starts BKK-JNB, SAA will keep the HKG-JNB route ( not sure about the codeshare with CX thought).

 
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 6:07 am

Would SA)">AA be able to operate SA - Florida">MIA-CPT/JNB nonstop in both directions with a 777?

It can physically be done.... but not under their current pilot agreement, nor under ETOPS138 (realistically)




if SA)">AA did have to do SA - Florida">MIA-JNB they might stop in the Cape Verder

...and go thousands of miles out of their way to do so? Um... no




because thats where airlines like SAA stop on route to SA - New York">JFK or SA - Georgia">ATL

...yeah, but SA also flew to MFW nonstop, remember?  Big grin
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 6:12 am

Bkkair,
Thanks. I was not aware of the demand for flights to South Africa from China. I remember seeing the old pictures and videos of SAA 742s and 747SPs landing at Kai Tak, so I figured that there was some demand.

Sorry, I should have written that better that I meant return to BKK if Thai did not start the flight. It wouldn't make the most sense to put both on the same route to compete with one another.
 
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 6:23 am

I think one of the main reason that SAA stopped Bkk-Jnb is that they no longer have any equipment that can make this flight after they returned or sold their 747SP fleet.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 6:33 am

Add to these new airlines the confirmed plans of RG to start flight to South Africa really soon. They will fly 3 or 4x weekly from GRU in codeshare with SA (who already flies to Brazil).

Good for South Africa!!!
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 11:12 am

I think one of the main reason that SAA stopped Bkk-Jnb is that they no longer have any equipment that can make this flight after they returned or sold their 747SP fleet.


So what would be wrong with an A342 or 343?
I heard the route was dropped because SAA didn't make enough off it, they increased HKG to daily at the same time aswell, so I guess itwas also possible that they just wanted 1 Asian city.
 
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 11:37 am

...and go thousands of miles out of their way to do so? Um... no

ConcordeBoy, a stop in Cape Verde on the MIA-JNB route adds only 193 miles. A nonstop shouldn't be a problem with the 777, but it wouldn't be so far out of the way if loads/weather conditions necessitated a visit to SID.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 4:15 pm

EddieDude
Doesn't RG already operate since several month into JNB?

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Other 74L destinations have been switched to other equipment. And BKK was not only a 74L destination, SAA also used 742 into BKK.
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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Sun May 23, 2004 8:37 pm

Wonder if South African and Air New Zealand will commence a codeshare when SA joins NZ in STAR?

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RE: 3 Airlines Thinking About South Africa!

Mon May 24, 2004 3:05 am

ConcordeBoy...If you dont see a flight from the US flying via Cape Verde...then I wonder where else they would stop? Libreville? Luanda? Malabo? Monrovia? Honestly Sal is the better place to stop..I really don't see an American airline in Liberia, Angola etc.

Hey just my 2 cents  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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