maiznblu_757
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CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 1:02 am

Adding to what Alpha 1 said a few weeks ago http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1540603/6/

I just heard from someone who has a former CO Express manager friend in Houston and they do indeed want to add TVC to their network from Cleveland but, once again, have to wait until the new terminal is completed. It sounds like weekend only service initially. They might also look at ERJ service from EWR to compete with AE's LGA flight.

Another rumor being tossed around AGAIN, is that AE may extend their DFW-GRR flight to TVC and then possibly up to Marquette for maintenance. It would most likely be an evening flight.

With the opening of the new terminal, other airlines that have been mentioned are Chicago Express and United Airlines might again look at 737 service from ORD during the summer, as they did back in 2001 but decided not to because the current terminal does not have sufficient room.

An update on the terminal....

The longest runway at TVC has been closed the past few days while they worked on laying the taxiways coming off the runway for the new taxiway to the terminal. Runway 18-36, 5107ft long, was taking ARJ's, ERJ's, and CRJ's. I think this is the main reason NW pulled the DC9's for the month of May, even though they have used 18-36 runway in the past. TVC had a DC9-50 today (NW 9901), but, I am presuming runway 28-10 is open again.

Runway 10-28 will be extended, they have torn up land at both ends of the runway. No word as to how how it will be yet.


The new terminal is really coming along.






 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 1:11 am

TVC has also applied for a SCASD grant which would be used to get DL to offer daily service, year round to CVG (instead of just weekend summer service). It will be a few months before we know who wins the grant.

 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 1:21 am

FlyPNS,

Can you explain SCASD?

Thanks.
 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 1:33 am

SCASD= Small Community Air Service Development

It's a government grant program designed to help small communities attract and retain air service.

Here's the link to TVC's grant application:

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/280686_web.pdf

 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 3:03 am

They are planning a new control tower also, with radar this time.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDOT_AIR21_TCTowerFandEPaper_69640_7.pdf

 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 3:07 am

Thanks for the update Chad.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 3:16 am

Runway 10-28 will be extended, they have torn up land at both ends of the runway. No word as to how how it will be yet.

Was supposed to be "No word as to how long the runway will be".

Sorry bout that.

 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 4:06 am

The DL Connection service I'm seeing is with ACA DoJos seasonal and on weekend.

If they keep it, is it going to be by Comair? Or maybe SkyWay as DL Connection.B4
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 4:34 am

Good question. Back in 99 when I first heard that there was going to be CVG service offered, it was going to be Comair providing the service.

Maybe someone else can offer some insight.




 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 5:43 am

FlyPNS,

Thanks for that document. That is very interesting reading.

The only thing I disagree with is the airport director assuming NWA is pulling the DC9's. They are adding more flights with the 9's, at least seasonally, and if they did happen to retire them sooner than forecasted, NWA would more than likely begin flying A319's into TVC.

They are basing that report on CRJ's between CVG-TVC so I assume it will be Comair, or maybe even ASA.



[Edited 2004-05-23 22:46:04]
 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 6:46 am

The reason the airport director mentions the DC-9's going away is to cast the situation in as dire terms as possible. By saying the DC9's are going away, it makes it appear as if TVC will be losing more capacity and thus the need for a grant is more urgent.

As for who will fly TVC-CVG, that's up to Delta. TVC would probably prefer Comair since they operate larger 40-50 seat CRJ's which is why TVC mentions Comair in the application. However, DL will send the plane that it thinks is appropriate and available.

If the TVC market develops well for DL, I could see FRJ's in the winter and then larger CRJ's in the summer months (particularly on the weekends).



 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 10:22 pm

Since the re-opening of runway 10-28, the last two days, Northwest has thrown in a couple DC9's. This is a normal departure for a DC9, so I think that its pretty much certain they pulled the DC9's off the schedule for the month of May because of the runway closure.

Information as of 5/24/2004 1:08:57 PM GMT
FlightID: NWA9902 (Commercial Jet)
Status: IN FLIGHT
Owner: NORTHWEST ORIENT AIRLINES INC.
Radio Call: NORTHWEST
Ground Spd: 386 kts Altitude: 18,600
Type: DC93 (McDonnell-Douglas DC-9-30 (C9,VC9...))
Origin Apt: TVC CHERRY CAPITAL
Dest Apt: DTW DETROIT METROPOLITAN WAYNE COUNTY
Departed: 09:01 AM EDT (1301Z)
Original ETA: 09:37 AM EDT (1337Z)
Calculated ETA: 09:35 AM EDT (1335Z), In 0h 22m
Dist Fm Dept: 38 nm Dist To Dest: 143 nm


 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates

Mon May 24, 2004 10:44 pm

Maiznblu, do you know a date for the completion of the terminal? In time for this summer's business?
 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Mon May 24, 2004 11:11 pm

MasseyBrown,

I am hearing this fall. Hopefully September. It was supposed to be ready summer 03, but, they decided to make the terminal larger and had to push the completion date back.

I ll be flying up there next month, so I will get some photos. Hopefully Ill be able to get some Air-Ground photos of the new terminal complex.

[Edited 2004-05-24 16:12:15]
 
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RE: CO Express To TVC And Other Rumors And Updates...

Fri May 28, 2004 11:57 pm

World famous community planner, William Mcdonough suggests moving the airport out of the city. Hmmm.



http://www.record-eagle.com/2004/may/28vision.htm


Planners identify primary issues
By BILL O'BRIEN
Record-Eagle staff writer

TRAVERSE CITY - Some of the desired "visions" for the Traverse
City region seem crystal clear - more arts and culture, better use of
Boardman river and lake, affordable housing and top-notch health care.
But other ideas - like creating a regional government authority
or moving the airport out of the city - generated more debate than
consensus during the second day of a two-part "visioning" event
sponsored by the Traverse City Convention and Visitors Bureau.
Community planner William McDonough and his aides ran
the "community charette" discussions held Thursday at Northwestern
Michigan College's Great Lakes campus building.
McDonough's team, which met with dozens of area residents and
local officials in recent months to prepare for the conference,
identified seven primary issues.
They included traffic, maintaining the area's "small-town"
character, the region's "growth" versus "no growth" factions, the
local economy, affordable housing, protecting the environment and the
need for better coordination of local planning.
Other topics raised during the morning discussions included the
lack of racial and cultural diversity in the area, and the need for
more recreational opportunities.
After the main issues were identified, the crowd of 150-plus
met in smaller groups for almost three hours to develop a set of
goals for the Traverse City area. Each group presented their ideas by
mid-afternoon, and the consultants highlighted the common goals - or
the "points of consensus" - at the close of the session.
"We all said we like where we live," said Doug Mansfield, one
of the discussion leaders and the chairman of the Grand Traverse
County board of public works. "We like Traverse City."
Other goals generating wide agreement among the group included
more clean water initiatives, community-supported agriculture,
expanding learning opportunities at NMC, developing "green building"
models and a regional "dark sky" effort.
The desire by some for a more-regional approach to local
government generated the most debate of the day. Some participants
said it was critical for implementing some of the suggestions made,
while others countered it would result in less public involvement.
Bureau officials are excited about the public interest in the
project so far. McDonough's keynote speech Wednesday night drew more
than 850 area residents, officials said, followed by Thursday's day-
long discussion. McDonough said the challenge for the 30-member
steering committee in the coming months will be to explain the ideas
to the public and generate more civic involvement in the goals.
"These are urgent issues that have to happen regardless of
(local politics)," McDonough said.



Here is more...

http://www.record-eagle.com/2004/may/27vision.htm




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