OrbitJFK
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Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 4:51 am

Hey,

Can airline pilots be certified on a number of aircraft. For example, an AA pilot be certified to fly 757, 767, and 777 aircraft, or are most pilots only able to fly one aircraft type. Thank you.

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DeltaGuy
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 8:17 am

You betcha....

With DL, pilots can fly the MD-88 and MD-90, or fly the 757/762/763/763ER. With CO, I believe they can also fly the 764 with the whole 767 lineup.
I know with Fedex, the pilots are flying the MD-10 and the MD-11, even though the -10 is a different airframe anyways.

Saves the company money, but there's a limit to how much you can compartamentalize the pilot groups, as to currency and difference training. Ex, flying a steam guage 732 then going to an NG 738 for your next trip.

I havent seen 764/777 cross certification yet, though it's been talked about before.

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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 11:37 am

I had a friend who flew for American who was certified for 707, 720, DC-9, 757/767/777 and DC-10. He had some great stories.
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 11:57 am

but there's a limit to how much you can compartamentalize the pilot groups, as to currency and difference training. Ex, flying a steam guage 732 then going to an NG 738 for your next trip.

I heard that over at Continental the 737 pilots fly all the series. They could be on a -300 one trip and a -900 the next.
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jeckPDX
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 5:42 pm

Anyone know if pilots trained for an A32X can also fly the A330/340? They share virtually the same cockpit.

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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 6:35 pm

WN certifies their pilots to fly all the 737s they currently have in their fleet. So one WN pilot could fly in a 735 and then fly out on a 73G then fly back on a 732.
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Mon May 24, 2004 7:07 pm

JeckPDX:

No. The pilots of A32X only can fly the family A318/19/20/21.
Yes you right the conckpit is almost the same but the aircraft is very diferent.

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Answering the topic question, the pilots can have certification in many planes that they want (or company want). There is no limitation.
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Tue May 25, 2004 1:31 am

"The pilots of A32X only can fly the family A318/19/20/21"

In fact following a short differences course (CCQ, or Cross-Crew Qualification) A320 series pilots can have the A330 / A340 added to their rating and fly all these types. It's called Mixed Fleet Flying (MFF).

I have a few friends here in the UK who fly the A320 series and A330 series with Thomas Cook Airlines and Monarch Airlines. MyTravel operate the same system and when Virgin Atlantic operated the A320/321 these aircraft were flown by A340 pilots.

Once the CCQ course is complete these pilots can fly an A330 / A340 one day and an A320 the next without any problem at all and this provides airlines with great rostering flexibility, and the pilots with great variety.

If I remember correctly, the A320 to A330 CCQ course is around 8 days, with a further 2 days from A330 to add the A340 as well.
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Tue May 25, 2004 1:50 am

but there's a limit to how much you can compartamentalize the pilot groups, as to currency and difference training. Ex, flying a steam guage 732 then going to an NG 738 for your next trip.

I'll retract that statement partially....yall did remind me of Southwest's setup. However, their NG's have the PFD and ND set up to look like a regular round dial cockpit...not the style youd find say on a 777. I was more thinking along the lines of DL, who has their 738's set up with the 777 gages, and the 737-800 and -200 pilots are in their own groups. Close enough?  Smile

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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/

Tue May 25, 2004 1:54 am

I know Skyservice in Canada also has pilots certified on both the A320 and A330 aircraft. As Rick has said, this does provide with greater flexibility for the airline, and the pilots too.

The 757 and 767 are similar enough to require a very small differences course.
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Tue May 25, 2004 4:33 am

I don't see why Southwest are so picky with how their 737 flightdecks are laid out.

Our 733 flightdecks look like this:


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While our 73G flightdecks have the 777-style PFD/ND setup and look like this:


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Not exactly the same at all, but we still fly both types after doing a differences course.
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RE: Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?

Tue May 25, 2004 4:47 am

Why do Southwest have their NG flightdecks set up like this:


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and not like this:


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