sanscott744
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United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 7:12 am

I saw on the Portland International Website that United has gates E1 thru E7. Which of those gates have boarding bridges and which do not.(united express gates)?
 
StevenUhl777
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 7:17 am

E1 thru E5 have jetways. E1 and E5 specifically are widebody gates. E6 and E7 are UAX boarding areas. You have to go downstairs by E5, and there is a waiting area and ticket counter down there.

Don't know what the plans are, but I've heard they want to extend that end of the concourse to add more "real" gates. Time will tell, and based of course on supply/demand.

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sanscott744
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 7:41 am

Thanks Steve good to know. I didn't realize that E1 and E5 were widebody gates.
 
flashmeister
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 11:06 am

Considering that PDX has unused gates on other concourses right now, I can't hardly see how they could get away with an E expansion... but in the future? Probably. B and E are both small concourses that could be better utilized.
 
StevenUhl777
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 11:14 am

Flashmeister: E expansion was high on the wish list of PDX planners, and was part of the original plan. 9/11 obviously didn't help move up such expansion plans, but as traffic rebounds at PDX and nationwide, the idea will resurface I believe before the decade is out. PDX for now is smart in building that underground link between C and D. Not only will it help NW in the short term, but future int'l. airlines that choose PDX.

United has put 767-300 aircraft at E1, and earlier, DC-10's. A few years ago, the Univ. of Oregon chartered a 744 for one of the bowl games and that plane used E5. There was an SFO-Frankfurt LH 744 that had to divert to PDX a few years ago due to a sick flight attendant. My Dad told me it was parked on E1.
Lastly, on May 15, 1995, I had the unique honor of walking around the first UA 777, N777UA, at PDX which parked on E5.
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flashmeister
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 12:00 pm

I can't help but wonder why they'd focus on expanding E first when they have a pit of a regional terminal in A, and a complete waste of space in the four-gate concourse B. Why not redevelop A/B to be more modern for the regional jets and better utilize space for more mainline gates?

That would make more room to grow (not that they need more -- they have something like 5 gates empty right now), and it would allow space for their largest tenant, AS/QX.

Expanding E for expansion's sake is pointless. UA is not exactly filling all the gates to capacity all day long, anyway.
 
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 12:06 pm

Expanding E for expansion's sake is pointless. UA is not exactly filling all the gates to capacity all day long, anyway.

Precisely why PDX won't be doing anything with E anytime soon. I would hope that they realize the potential right now is with D, and also the A/B/C concourses. I believe B and C were just completed?

I moved to Oregon 20 years ago, though left in '96...and remember my first impression of it then. Wow, have things changed in 20 years...SeaTac just can't hold a candle to how nice PDX is now. True, I haven't seen the new A at SEA, but the satellites...yuck!
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flashmeister
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 12:55 pm

PDX is a great O/D facility, and it will be a great connecting facility when they complete the tunnel between C and D.

What they completed was a rebuild of C and a new common checkpoint for A/B/C. They hardly renovated B, and I don't think they touched A at all. B is still just a holding room with four gates in it. A has no jetways at all for QX's ops, and I don't believe that any QX RJ's park at mainline gate, except for QX's JetExpress flights for Frontier operating out of A8 -- those do use the jetway.

They need to address A immediately. It's a pit, IMHO, especially considering the snazzy new commuter terminals popping up all over -- PHL, DEN (planned), etc.
 
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 1:02 pm

Flashmeister:

I agree with you on concourse A-they should tear A & B up and reconfigure it so it blends with the rest of the terminal. It should also be configured to support QX ops only-I think AS has a couple flights that still leave from the B gates. Now the NW is moving to the D concourse, I think the entire end of C is available. C-16 through C-23 (8 gates!). I think C6 and C10 are also unoccupied. American is moving to C9 & C11, F9 is at C8, and AS has the rest. I tink D2 & D4 will be available after American's move and D13 is probably available (DL does not appear to be using it / needing it anymore). In other words, PDX has a TON of unused gates-I think PDX is pretty set space-wise for many years. It's probably a good idea to back of the construction!
 
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 1:37 pm

Is it a done deal that NW is moving all ops to D, or is it just the AA), Japan">NRT flight? There was a thread on that, but it wasn't at all clear. Seems to me that it'd be a pain for the rest of the pax transiting NW-to-AS or vice-versa, instead of just having a shuttle bus from D to C after the AA), Japan">NRT flight lands on D and pax clear customs.

I know that Hawaiian moved closer in on D (they were on the end before), but that looks like it's only one gate down. Doesn't NW have 2 gates now?

Also, looks like AA's move to C might be happening tonight. AA 1149 arrives from DFW at 10:29pm at C10 according to PDX's website. According to aa.com, though, tomorrow morning's flights are all scheduled on D.

Can anyone clarify?
 
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Tue May 25, 2004 1:59 pm

NW will have all ops on D. AA will soon move to (I think) C9 and C11. I have heard that Horizon will use the end of C this year due to some construction as well. I have also heard that PDX will have a shuttle bus between C/D for connecting passengers. Eventually that will be replaced by a secure walkway between the two concourses.

And PDX certainly does not need any more expansion. They have tons of gates.
 
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Wed May 26, 2004 1:29 am

With Northwest aparently moving all operations to D and/or C concourse, C concourse is going to be a ghost town down at the end. As it is, Frontier only uses one or two gates a coupple times a day, and Northwest doesn't use they're gates hardly at all during the middle part of the day. I believe they have two or three gates. Plus I think there are 3 or 4 currently empty gates down there. When NW moves out, it's going to be Southwest, Alaska, and Frontier using C, and that's it.

The A concourse is not a pit. Have you been down to the A concourse in the last three years??? QX has modernized that area imensly in the last few years, and it is now one of the better regional terminals in the Northwest. I'd have to say QX up in SEA is probably a little better.

Now, the rumor I've heard from QX pilots is that when the lease comes up on the Q200's, they're going to get rid of them, and slowly intruduce an all Q400 turbo prop fleet to replace them. Now, the pilots hate the Q400's, VERY rightfully so. The damn things are so un-reliable it isn't even funny. If QX does move to an all Q400 fleet, however, then I could see them helping the port pay to "modernize" the A/B concourse into a regional terminal, since the Q400's and CRJ-700's can both use jetways. They could even get those jetways that are intended for regional aircraft. Of course, this would be many years down the road  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Thu May 27, 2004 2:33 pm

I would be surprised if QX rid themeselves of the DH8-I thin too many of their cities (Pendleton, Northbend, Wenatchee etc) could support the larger aircraft. I just got back of Boise and the end of "C" is a ghost town. NW has moved all of their stuff to D, Frontier is now at C8. This does not bode well for the restaurants and shops at that end. I did notice on my outbound flight that CO and HP parked some aircraft at C20 & C22 overnight.
 
flashmeister
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Thu May 27, 2004 5:16 pm

Compared to the nice new spacious concourses at C/D/E, I do have to say that A is a pit at PDX. It stands out like a sore thumb. It's crowded, hot, and relatively unpleasant compared to the other facilities. Granted, it and concourse B are now the oldest facilities at PDX, but I can't believe that QX isn't howling a little more for some facilities updates.

If there's money for a passenger walkway and money for meet-and-greet retrofits and money for the umpteenth reconfiguration of baggage claim, surely there's got to be a couple of bucks to refurbish A.
 
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RE: United's PDX Gates?

Fri May 28, 2004 3:43 am

I agree with you flashmaster. I had to fly Horizon to Seattle to catch a connection flight on route to Seoul and I must say I would have preferred departing from one of the other concourses..It would be nice if they could rebuild concourse Aand B to mirror the appearance of E..

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