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Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Tue May 25, 2004 9:41 am

I'm hoping I can hitch a ride on that bad boy from New York?  Confused
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Tue May 25, 2004 10:42 am

Yeah, Maybe if they want flying to JFK with B777-300ER. It would be perfect for thems.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Tue May 25, 2004 10:58 am

JAL will initially use its 777-300ERs on routes within Asia. As the airline builds up experience with the type, trans Pacific routings requiring 207 ETOPS will be included. Look for US West Coast flight about 1 year after the type enters service.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Tue May 25, 2004 11:13 am

Could Seattle be on that list? That would be so awesome to get a NON-US carrier to fly on to Tokyo instead of Northwest's flight 7/8 and United's 875/876, and would mean no more flying to LAX or YVR to catch a better carrier like Air Canada, ANA, or Singapore. Plus, JAL just kicks butt.
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Tue May 25, 2004 11:16 am

Watch with your butt about JL. It want to make more flights to LAX or SFO.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Tue May 25, 2004 10:25 pm

I have my doubts that JL will fly the 777-300ER to LAX or SFO. I think they would assign a 747-400 on the NRT to LAX or SFO route if an extra flight is necessary.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Wed May 26, 2004 2:25 pm

Currently JL is flying 2x weekly a 743 to MEX via YVR (with traffic rights to/from YVR). While I am sure that that the stop in YVR contributes to the loads and yields of the flights, I am sure that a non-stop service between NRT and MEX would lure more Japanese, South Korean and Chinese flyers going to Mexico and Mexican flyers going to those countries. Does anybody know if the 773ER has the range to do NRT-MEX non-stop? And if so, does anybody think that JL would be interested in switching from the 743 to the 773 to MEX and dropping YVR? Thanks for the info.
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Wed May 26, 2004 11:48 pm

I think you can forget about JL flying the 777-300ER to MEX. The reason is simple: the sheer altitude of MEX airport could severely limit the load westbound from MEX back to NRT, unless JL uses YVR as a fuel-only technical stop.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 12:26 am

unless JL uses YVR as a fuel-only technical stop

...which of course would be utterly pointless.

JL may someday consider the 772LR if it wants nonstop flights to MEX (or JNB for that matter, here's hoping  Big grin)
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 5:26 am

Thanks for the info guys. I realized a few minutes after making the post that the range of the 773ER would be compromised by MEX' altitude on the westbound flights. I guess ConcordeBoy is right... the alternative would be the 772LR (JL is not going to consider the A345 ever, right?).
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 6:18 am

An A345 has less than a snowball's chance in hell of finding its way into the JL fleet
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 6:34 am

Maybe they'll start BOSTON service with the 777-300ER.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 6:44 am

As i just read they will serve ZRH with the 777  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 8:02 am

ZRH will be B777-200ER.

I think it will probably start with SIN and BKK.

Then possibly ORD and SFO.

or YVR..

KIX-LAX would be a good one also.

Anybody know the seating configuration yet? Then it would be easier to guess

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[Edited 2004-05-27 01:03:39]

[Edited 2004-05-27 01:07:29]
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 8:20 am

Hope someday that JL returns to DFW, with ANY aircraft they wish.

AA being the only airline to Tokyo is just not acceptable.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 8:49 am

JAL's all YVR and MEX flights will be upgraded to 744 from 743 from Oct 01. So I don't think that they will switch to 773 from 744 in a hurry as JAL MEX route qualification for pilots is a lengthy affair. 744 pilots had started their route qualification procedures back in March.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 10:01 am

yea you are right..thanks.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 11:50 am

Actually there were some rumors here awhile back that JAL had made a deal w/ a lounge operator at DFW to house their pax. I think though that JAL will return when D opens.

If this all happens I bet it's a 772, although it could be a 773 ER.

Just some food for thought.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 11:57 am

What makes you so sure about 345 never ever gonna join JAL??

The 772LR has virtual 99% systems commonality with the 773ER and 772ER (minus the engines) not to mention superior performance to boot.

U have the same shitty attitude to the 380!

Airbus has b-l-o-w-n it in Japan. ANA swapped their A32X for new-build 737NG, and Airbus market share is dwindeling past 15%. Threatening to sue Japanese industry over the 7E7 probably won't help either. ANA or JAL haven't come close to ordering the A380, and there are currently no indications that this will change.

Hope someday that JL returns to DFW, with ANY aircraft they wish

When JAL orders the 7E7-8/9, I'd expect them to open new destinations with the smaller aircraft.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 12:55 pm

I can see you speak for the japanese. Hopefully they can speak for themselfes cuz you are just too much for my stomach!
I know Boeing wanna rule the sky, but this is ridiculous.......
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 1:09 pm

Solnabo, with all due respect...

The Japanese have no intention of ordering an Airbus product anytime soon. Japan gets massive shares of Boeing projects and it is more or less political suicide to not order a Boeing product. JAL and ANA are quasi-governmental organizations who seek to further Japanese interests.

Not to say the A380 or other Airbus products are inferior, but at this time they are not under consideration.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 4:16 pm

I heard that one destination that is for sure is Mojave...
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Thu May 27, 2004 5:07 pm

DEN??

Just wishful thinking, I guess  Sad

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 12:08 am

What makes you so sure about 345 never ever gonna join JAL??

Oh, I dunno... something about it being a complete and total oddball in their fleet, versus it's competitor who'd fit in with nigh perfect commonality and stronger performance?  Laugh out loud



U have the same shitty attitude to the 380!

Um, [from your warped perspective] pray tell: what "attitude" would that be?  Insane
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 5:23 am

Oh, I dunno... something about it being a complete and total oddball in their fleet, versus it's competitor who'd fit in with nigh perfect commonality and stronger performance?

I agree with you that a 345 would be totally an oddball in JAL's fleet and the logical step would be to order 772LRs, but then again, it is also an oddball in SIA and they still got them. . .
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 7:28 am

TokyoNarita: I just checked JAL's homepage... actually the 772ER is not to be found, are they ordered and to be delivered ? their 772 has only a range of a bit more then 4000 km, i guess with that plane they wouldn't reach ZRH nonstop  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 7:32 am

just out of interest how much does range deteriorate on a twin and a quad at a hot and high airport like MEX.

PS in response to the above post the 772A's range is 4000odd NM's, not km's.

[Edited 2004-05-28 00:34:13]
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 7:35 am

hmm, site doesn't seem to be updated, just read an article where they mention 772ER  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 7:50 am


I heared, from a friend working in the Sales Department of JAL's Madrid Offices, that there are rumours in JAL for on-line service to MAD. Can anyone here confirm this? We would love to see JL in the New Barajas Airport, Madrid.

Can't wait to see the New Barajas ready
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:01 am

just out of interest how much does range deteriorate on a twin and a quad at a hot and high airport like MEX.

I can hook you up with the 777 data, but your on your own for A340 data. Refer to pages 6 through 14. Given the superior performance of the 777 (relative to MD11 or A340) in just about every category, I imagine the 777 would match or exceed the performance of a quad at MEX.

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/777rsec3.pdf
For 773ER and 772LR

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/7772sec3.pdf
For 772A, 772ER, 773A

PS in response to the above post the 772A's range is 4000odd NM's, not km's.

Actually it's closer to 5,200nm with an average payload

I agree with you that a 345 would be totally an oddball in JAL's fleet and the logical step would be to order 772LRs, but then again, it is also an oddball in SIA and they still got them.

That's because the A345 was avialable and the 772LR was not. It isn't a stretch to say that SQ is reconsidering the 773ER/772LR...
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:06 am

Given the superior performance of the 777 (relative to MD11 or A340) in just about every category, I imagine the 777 would match or exceed the performance of a quad at MEX.

actually quads perform better under hot and high conditions.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:19 am

actually quads perform better under hot and high conditions

not the A340
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:23 am

actually quads perform better under hot and high conditions

not the A340


ohh really, any evidence to back up your deeply profound statment.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:29 am

ohh really, any evidence to back up your deeply profound statment.

Well it's not like Airbus allows anyone gaze upon a basic outline of its top secret opperational data  Insane Pray tell, what evidence do you have in opposition to the 777? I'd like to know how an aircraft with a slower climb rate in ideal conditions could match the 777 in hot and high conditions.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:44 am

but then again, it is also an oddball in SIA and they still got them

Because at the time time they ordered it, it was the only available aircraft capable of flying further than 8000nm with a decent payload.
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:49 am

"The 20 A340-600s are due for delivery from June 2007 and should be operated on the longer routes due to the airplane's field performance advantage over the twinjet (773ER) at hot airfields"

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Paris2003/Emirates.html
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:52 am

Roberta, you are referring to an article published almost 8 months before certification. The semi-levered landing gear and an uprated GE90-115 has more than settled the performance issue.
 
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:55 am

The semi-levered landing gear and an uprated GE90-115 has more than settled the performance issue.

...not entirely.

Among the reasons EK decided to lease their 773ERs (aside from easier financing), was more flexibility in switching them out with more advanced models once the GE90 is uprated to 120-125,000lbs thrust.
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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 10:33 am

TokyoNarita: I just checked JAL's homepage... actually the 772ER is not to be found, are they ordered and to be delivered ? their 772 has only a range of a bit more then 4000 km, i guess with that plane they wouldn't reach ZRH nonstop

hey Supersonic78

JAL currently operates 6 B777-200ERs.. They are currently serving Narita-London, Narita-Paris etc..along with their B744s. When MD-11s retire, then you can expect Narita-Zurich to be operated by B777-200ERs probably sometime in September. I also heard Narita-Delhi is going B777-200ERs.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Fri May 28, 2004 3:15 pm

TokyoNarita: NRT-ZRH is going to 772 already in Jul a few times a week and DEL goes to 772 in Aug04. They currently have 7 777-200/ER with the latest one delivered in Apr04.

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RE: Where Will The JAL 777-300ER's Be Flying Too?

Sun May 30, 2004 11:23 am

It is great to know that JL will upgrade its flights to MEX from a 743 to a 744. I guess this also confirms that JL is not considering at the moment trying to fly to MEX non-stop using an ultra-long range aircraft, so the stop in YVR will likely remain.
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