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Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:28 am

How do you get permission to go on the ramp? Is there someone you have to ask at the airport? Does it cost money?

I am asking these questions because I would love to go on the ramp and I am not working for the airport, police, or faa.

Thanks guys,
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:32 am

Get a job at an airline working the ramp.

Other than that, you pretty much need a friend at the Airport Authority.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:34 am

I believe SYD is the only airport in the world that runs tours of the ramp. Well , the only seriously sized commercial airport.


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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:41 am

I'd love to be able to get on the ramp. I've thought about trying to get a job for the summer over at MHT. But it sounds as if I won't be home enough.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:44 am

When I interviewed for an airline at Logan I requested to see their operations out on the ramp. They said no way. So there you go. Luckily I got hired so now I work at the best place ever and watch planes all day. Just my kind of thing  Smile  Smile  Smile

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:45 am

If you know someone that works at the airport, they MAY be able to escort you onto the ramp (I stress may because the rules seem to be different at each airport). However, I wouldn't expect anyone to be willing to do much escorting after 9/11. Someone doesn't like it, it could, at the least, cost them their job. There are just too many ways for it to be seen as a security issue (and rightly so).

So, in all honesty, if you don't work at the airport, its probably not going to happen.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 10:52 am

Referance being escorted on the ramp - NOT

Since 9/11 even the escorted people have to have been given Federal Clearance. We have had mothers fired for sneeking their kids on the property when they could not get a babysitter.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 11:01 am

M404,

Its different at each airport and like I said since 9/11 its a completely different story. I clearly recall and have read many times over of having escort rights when I worked at an airport, I had them myself! Now getting through security is a different story, so I never tried.

Yes, I would imagine I would need some type of permission to get through the TSA, but whats to say that if the person made it through security that you couldnt take them onto the ramp if the rules said you could.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 11:10 am

As far as 'getting on the ramp' as said above...Nope. Unless you work for an airline, the airport or some other business that allows you access to the ramps you have no business being there. Back a few years ago when I was with an airline and did over night road trips many times it would be a major pain in the a** getting on the ramp to fix our broken airplane.,,,,,and we where in uniform, driving a marked company truck and wore company/and local airport Id's.....and they knew we where coming..!!

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 11:10 am

at JFK, LGA, EWR you have to work for a company or agency that allows you to have ramp access. at smaller airports its also fairly hard to get access nowadays. i can escort non-badged persons on at LGA but they have to be either pax on my airline or there on a company purpose.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 11:57 am

Make a friend who works at an airport. Most airports dont care if youre out there, as long as youre with an badged employee.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 12:08 pm

Airtran 737, what world are you living in?
Seriously I work up in canada on the ramp, and were not even allowed to have guests on the ramp. I couldnt imagine what kinds of security hassels airport employies have to go through in larger US citys.
 
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 12:14 pm

You.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 12:21 pm

You CAN NOT, I repeat CAN NOT at any time ever for any reason go on the ramp without possessing a S.I.D.A Card. NEVER without a S.I.D.A. Card. Before 9/11 at smaller airports you were allowed to be escorted by someone, as long as you kept within 5 feet of them at all times. But now, not gonna happen. This is STRICTLY enforced. If your approached by someone while your on the ramp, and you don't possess a valid S.I.D.A. card, you'll be arrested. Smile
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 12:25 pm

Well you can, once. Big grin


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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 1:45 pm

TheGreatChecko

As you said all airports are different (but not supposed to be as it's a Federal rule)

When we get a call from the airport security office that a contractor (previously cleared by the Feds via the airport authority to be escorted by badged employee) I am the one that often is called to do the escort duty. I have to be with the person at all times to ensure their cleared access area is the only part they go to. I have to use my badge to clear them.

So it would seem that you may have answered the question yourself.

If you already have gotten yourself cleared by the airport authority and have passed the Federal guidelines that they are supposed to follow and if they deem it worthwhile and in their interest to have you on the property then they would have to find someome who had the time and was willing to escort you.

What I was saying is they if one of those steps was missing you have violated a federal rules at a US federally controlled airport and that whomever is with you can be prosecuted and or fired and you can both spend time as a guest of the Federal/state/county/city enforcement officials.

So yes, of course you can have access top the ramp. But understand, at our own airport, not even the press is allowed on the ramp unless invited by those authorities for a reason that they wanted - not the press.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 2:24 pm

I brought a couple of my friends out on the ramp in YYT once, but that was pre 9/11 and I needed to get special security passes for them that required an escort with a full pass (myself).
However, the Commissionairs at YYT told me recently (last summer) that I could still take a friend(s) airside as long as I had my full clearance pass and a temporary escort required pass for them.
YYT is a smaller airport, but I can't figure out why regulations would be any different there than at another Canadian airport. U.S. airports would have different regs obviously.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 7:28 pm

Think about how many people are on the ramp that don't have a S.I.D.A. badge. Here in MKE we escort our ice vendor while he drives in (without a security check), and anyone else who may need to make a delivery that wouldn't have access to the S.I.D.A. people bring their kids to work so that they cans see what goes on. Airports don't really care if you bring someone onto the ramp, they use the philosophy that the employee has passed their ten year background check, and that they wouldn't bring the Taliban onto the ramp. I myself have brought my little brothers out on the ramp for a tug ride so that they can see an airplane up close. It's no big deal.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Wed May 26, 2004 7:36 pm

Another way is to be a GA pilot and park your aircraft the closest to the main apron as you can.
Here at CMF we park at the GA apron (lower right hand side in the pics), as you can see it is quite near the main taxiway for runway 36/18.

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Therefore on busy winter WE days we can be on the other side of the fence, so to speak, giving us pics like these :

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At the same time we take this opportunity to shoot whtever is at the GA ramp, sometimes there ere bizjets and if you're really lucky you can get a cockpit/cabin photo opportunity  Big thumbs up

I don't know if you can land a GA aircraft in your local though.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 1:44 am

AirTran737:

What are you smoking man??? I, too worked at a "Small" airport just last year. A guy who brought his kids onto the ramp for "Bring your daughter to Work Day" got in trouble when the station manager got bitched out by the TSA when they found out. He didn't get reprimanded, just told "You probably should not do that again."

If you have people giving "Tug rides" to kids, you should have your S.I.D.A. yanked, bud. This isn't a theme park. If they want to see an airplane up close....go to a GA airport.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 4:14 am

Wow! There is so much wrong informatino on this thread it's not even funny.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 5:05 am

How do you get this badge? Does it work at all airports?
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 5:08 am

How do you get this badge? Does it work at all airports

1... get a job with an airline that requires you to be on the ramp.
2... No..only at the airport where it was issued

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 5:13 am

Thanks EMBQA. They should let reguliar people on the ramp though. But what you gonna do?  Sad
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 5:56 am

Mikephotos:

Whoa, great minds think alike buddy!

You CAN NOT, I repeat CAN NOT at any time ever for any reason go on the ramp without possessing a S.I.D.A Card. NEVER without a S.I.D.A. Card. Before 9/11 at smaller airports you were allowed to be escorted by someone, as long as you kept within 5 feet of them at all times. But now, not gonna happen. This is STRICTLY enforced. If your approached by someone while your on the ramp, and you don't possess a valid S.I.D.A. card, you'll be arrested.

This one I found particularly hilarious. You speak from what experience, chief? Am I to believe that Southwest ramp rats now have the power to arrest people? lol!

Truth is, some airports allow escorting. I've escorted photographers myself after 9/11 in TPA and ATL. I've been escorted in MCO, SLC, ORD and a major airport in the Northeast US. If you just do your homework, talk to the right people and find out what your airports regulations are, it's not a big deal.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 6:05 am

Pizzaandplanes-

They should let regular people on the ramp though. But what you gonna do?
I disagree 100%. If you are not employed by an airline, or have professional business on the 'ramps' you have no business being there. It is NOT a play ground and some place to 'hang out' and look at planes. It is a dangerous place of business...people get killed all the time. Steeping into turning props, being crushed by tugs, run over by vehicles....
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 8:16 am

This one I found particularly hilarious. You speak from what experience, chief? Am I to believe that Southwest ramp rats now have the power to arrest people? lol!

I guess you don't know what you're talking about either, as we are required to call the police right away if we come upon someone without a badge. THEY will arrest you, not me. If you don't call the police, and the unbadged person ends up being a plain clothes cop doing SCAN (Spot, Challenge And Notify), you will be fined for not reporting it.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 9:22 am

Every airport is different as stated. For most larger airports, you're not getting anywhere near the ramp unless you have a job, and even then you may be restricted. Smaller airports are still a different story and may vary even more than a big one.

As for the one I work at, anybody without a badge must be escorted at all times when on the field. That means that I have to walk customers out to their planes, stick with drivers making deliveries, etc. It's pretty much at my discretion. But seeing how if they bust the rules I not only will get arrested, but loose my job because if they are signed in under my badge they are my responsibility, I have to know you pretty well if you aren't paying for your plane to be on my ramp.

And yes, I do call the police for suspicious vehicles, persons, etc from time to time. The best thing to do is try and get a job at the airport working with the aircraft if you want to be near the aircraft.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 10:20 am

I guess you don't know what you're talking about either, as we are required to call the police right away if we come upon someone without a badge. THEY will arrest you, not me. If you don't call the police, and the unbadged person ends up being a plain clothes cop doing SCAN (Spot, Challenge And Notify), you will be fined for not reporting it.

I'm exactly right. The post that I was questioning stated: If your approached by someone while your on the ramp, and you don't possess a valid S.I.D.A. card, you'll be arrested. That is worded to lead people to believe that anyone can arrest you on the ramp, and it gives no leeway for people under escort.

Lemme break it down like this:

Step 1, Spot: "Hey that guy looks like he doesn't have a badge"

You should then approach the person...

Step 2, Challenge: "Do you have a badge?"

If the reply is yes: "Could you please have it out in plain view?"

If reply is no: Notify police

If reply is: I'm being escorted by this person (who I'm standing next to) and they have a badge: You do absolutely nothing, because if your airports regulations allow escorting, that person is perfectly within his rights to be there and is the responsibility of that employee.

To reemphasize, the rules vary slightly from airport to airport.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 11:00 am

NonRevKing, OK. Now we are agreeing here. MSP allows escorts "while performing official duties" only. So, if you are training, you can be escorted by a trainer, but you can't bring your friend, sister, dog, gold fish, anything like that.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 12:10 pm

God these threads are funny. I love all of the armchair airline employees who think that they have a grasp on the current security measures.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 4:34 pm

Now come on guys...."on official business"??? I think that is pretty much up to the badgeholder to determine now isn't it?

That makes escorting someone on the ramp the badgeholder's responsibility.

An airport (who is the real authority in granting SIDA access) cannot regulate and airline's "official" business. They can only regulate access to the AOA.

You can escort who you want, pretty much when you want on the AOA - but the key is they ARE escorted and, therefore, tracked by the airports SIDA system (at least at larger airports where things like mag cards, hand scans and the like are norms). The badged employee is responsible for their actions while under escort.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 4:50 pm

We have had mothers fired for sneeking their kids on the property when they could not get a babysitter.

They deserve to be fired. This is a safety issue. What if their kid ran out onto the ramp to chase something like a ball or whatever and then get ingested by an engine?? Like I said...safety first. Kids dont understand how dangerous the ramp is, you CAN get still get killed out there regardless.

If you want ramp access then apply with an airline, pass the background checks and get issued an airport SIDA. I believe that the Escort Privilage (like the program that Port of Seattle has had before 9/11..) that comes with the SIDA has probably been removed because of 9/11. The only time Ive ever used my escort privilage was only inside the hangar at AS in SEA. Ive never taken anyone out onto the ramp for any reason.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 5:14 pm

"..anybody without a badge must be escorted at all times when on the field."


Hmmmmm.....I walk around on the ramp all the time at ALL of our 60 airports, and I don't have a S.I.D.A badge......or an escort.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 8:30 pm

Most airports in Canada have a red restricted area pass that employees or people who have to have access to areas inside the fence. This does not automatically give a person access to the Terminal and ramp areas. You have to have a need to be there to go there. In yow the security have portable scanners and randomly check the passes of people at the terminal.

Now most airports have yellow passes that can be used when someone does not have a restricted area pass. This person must be under escort. It can be used anywhere the person with the red pass can go. We use it when we have to go rescue airplanes at other airports or others come here. I have escorted a few guys from Continental a few times when they were her rescuing a ERJ. There is no restriction on who can use this pass. The only provision is they MUST be within sight of a restricted area pass holder.

Most of the bigger companies have a Block of 5 or 10 that they control so they do not have to go to the pass office every time someone needs one.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Thu May 27, 2004 11:37 pm

...dangerous the ramp is, you CAN get still get killed out there regardless.

you could get killed walking down a sidewalk in your town. yes, the ramp can be dangerous but don't make it sound so bad. with basic common sense, the ramp is just another work area, you just need to keep your head out of the clouds while working. oh and yes, i've been there and done that.

They deserve to be fired. This is a safety issue

If they were fired, it was probably because of not clearing it with their station manager, not anything to do with the airport itself.

TZSFO nailed it, good post.

Hey B, so when are they issuing sidearms to those ramp rats  Smile

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Fri May 28, 2004 1:04 am

Barney Captain, I'm guessing you are flight crew, which means you have an airline badge. This gives you access within "the shadow of your own plane".
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Fri May 28, 2004 1:40 am

How do you get permission to go on the ramp? Is there someone you have to ask at the airport? Does it cost money?

One way to get on the ramp, if a small airport near you is having an airshow/airfest etc. Sometimes airports will give tours too, I just did one at TPA. It's only like an hour long, but they take you around to see stuff, and get out for a few mins to take photos.

I am asking these questions because I would love to go on the ramp and I am not working for the airport, police, or faa.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Fri May 28, 2004 5:08 am

They should let reguliar people on the ramp though. But what you gonna do?

Hell no.

As a ramp lead, the last thing I would want is someone not on my crew hanging out around my airplane..... and especially not someone who hasn't gone through any of the training that ramp guys undergo when they're hired.

How do I know you're capable of not getting yourself hurt or killed? How can I be sure you won't get in the way or distract my crew members? Your personal assurance means nothing. You have absolutely no reason to be there; thus, you're on the outside of the fence.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Fri May 28, 2004 11:07 am

There also does not need to be a reason to use the Yellow escort required passes...I can pull one out of my desk and hand it to anyone (you know what I mean) and then as long as they are escorted they can go any where.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sat May 29, 2004 4:22 pm

...dangerous the ramp is, you CAN get still get killed out there regardless.

you could get killed walking down a sidewalk in your town. yes, the ramp can be dangerous but don't make it sound so bad. with basic common sense, the ramp is just another work area.....


Sorry for making it sound bad, but its the truth and this is REALITY!!! People have actually died out on the ramp in the past while on duty. For example: a ramper at AS was instantly killed in SEA by his baggage tug and he was pinned between the tug and the M80. The tug was in park but the tug, somehow, shifted into gear itself and rammed into the ramper. This is one of the reasons why carriers frown on 'hot rodding' out on the ramp. Hot rodding damages the baggage tugs and they are not designed to be used that way and thats one of the factors in the investigation. This was in 2000.

Edited: Forgot to add the year to the incident....

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sat May 29, 2004 4:42 pm

I know it is different wherever you go but I will tell you that it is VERY HARD to get out there. An example of that is when a new employee is hired at DEN, or even when they are taking a tour during the interview NO ONE without an airside badge is allowed ANYWHERE past the security lines anywhere outside of the building. This rule even applies to the cargo area where there is no TSA or metal detectors. If you are caught by anyone in opps, security, or anyone looking out for it you will be arrested and the person that let you through the doors the escort you out will be fired. I know at least at DEN they don't mess around with this at all....
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 1:34 am

Theoretically you could get someone to take you past security and down on the ramp. However they would only be able to do it once.  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 2:01 am


People be real. Any ramp rat, regardless of the station, can tell you that they see friends and family of employees on the ramp checking things out almost every month. In TPA I have seen moms, dads, sisters, brothers and kids out on the ramp, with an employee escort, in the last few months.

As for danger, I still think that rampers driving equipment while talking on there cell phones is crazy. Maybe WN management will solve this problem. LOL!

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 2:14 am

Sorry for making it sound bad, but its the truth and this is REALITY!!! People have actually died out on the ramp in the past while on duty.

Ramp areas aren't exclusive in that distinction.

I find that, even though you may exercise common sense and a "heads up" approach, there are quite a few people who you depend on to keep your safety in mind. They will sometimes not, though - the entire airline industry is very much "on the clock," people tend to sometimes concentrate on getting the job done as quickly as possible, not giving consideration to people on the ramp who's safety they put at risk. Ramp guys are simply "not seen" - and thus, not thought about - by people "upstairs," whether that be CSAs in the terminal or the flight crew.

You work a lot on trust - trust that the pilot will do his job properly, trust that the CSAs won't run you over with the bridge, trust in your crew to look out for each other, trust in maintenance.... and so on.

For example... the only injury I have really sustained in my time on the ramp (besides sore muscles) was a cut to the head caused by maintenance or the Captain bleeding off the flaps while parked at the gate. The flap came down while I had my back turned, I didn't notice it, and I ran into it. Luckily, I got away with a couple of stitches and some lost blood  Smile
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 2:42 am

All you need to do is get someone from the airport authority to get you on the ramp.. taxiways.. end of runways. I was at JFK and was given a tour we were even allowed to stand on the end of the runway. I have a great pic showing it but not sure how to include a non-airliners.net photo on the post. I can e-mail it though. I was on a tour through the University of North Dakota. This was last November. Also we were allowed through security without boarding passes and put onto a Jet Blue plane and given a tour of that. (Jet Blue did have their security specialist with us)
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 5:36 am

"People be real. Any ramp rat, regardless of the station, can tell you that they see friends and family of employees on the ramp checking things out almost every month. In TPA I have seen moms, dads, sisters, brothers and kids out on the ramp, with an employee escort, in the last few months."


I work the ramp and have never seen anyone on the ramp who shouldn't have been there. I guess I'm not "any ramp rat" or it's probalbly that my airline and station care more about security than TPA.
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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 5:59 am

"Another way is to be a GA pilot and park your aircraft the closest to the main apron as you can."

This works...myself and another a.netter did this a few months ago, the FBO employees said we were fine as long as we stayed off the airline ramp:


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(MD-80 is closer than it appears, yet we are still parked legally on the GA ramp at FNL)

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 3:16 pm

Goose, I agree with you on the teamwork approach.

In TPA I have seen moms, dads, sisters, brothers and kids out on the ramp, with an employee escort, in the last few months.

If this were true, this is a huge security issue and I think that it needs to be addressed as illegal and has got to stop. If you are NOT on duty, you have NO REASON to be out on the ramp for any reason whatsoever...including non-revving. I think that the SIDA should NOT include escort privilages anymore, that should be revoked. What if the person who does not even work for the company and got hurt? The employee's airline and the airport isnt going to pay for the medical expenses because of the SIDA holders lack of common sense.

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RE: Getting On The Ramp

Sun May 30, 2004 3:37 pm

May be some airports have different rules.....If they can't get the fact that it is not illegal to take pictures at airports Some allow (even encourge)and some don't allow at all. Why can't they be different in this.

Also at a GA airport if you are nice and ask nicely I have never not been able to walk around.
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