CanadaEH
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Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:14 am

Just wondering what equipment is used to fly to Hawaii from Seattle?
Which other west-coast cities have service from mainland to Hawaii on Northwest?
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:25 am

NW currently uses a DC10-30 on the SEA-HNL/SEA-OGG run. However starting next week, NW will be using a 753 on the SEA-HNL/SEA-OGG runs.
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:28 am

Hawaii to Seattle is currently DC-10, switching to the 757-300 on June 10.

Honolulu is served from SEA and, re-starting July 1 from LAX. MSP and DTW also have service to HNL.

Also, Maui is served from Seattle, plus the Kona tag begins soon as well, so it'll be a SEA-OGG-KOA-SEA routing.
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:28 am

Also, NW is supposed to be re-instating LAX-HNL, and SFO-HNL using 753s later this summer, I believe.
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:32 am

Do you guys know if NW will re-instate the HNL-SEA red-eye? I think the flight # was NWA926?
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:45 am

NW926 will be flying KOA-SEA when it starts service, and that will be NWs red-eye to SEA.Currently NW only has 1 flight a day to SEA it's NW924 which leaves at 13h15 I believe.

[Edited 2004-05-26 21:46:26]
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:49 am

COAB767-

SFO-HNL will not be re-instated, at least not yet. LAX-HNL is the only one that will be re started. It would not surprise me if SFO-HNL will be restarted eventually. I am starting to think NWA found their "niche" with the 753s, and may be regretting they did not order a few more.
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 4:56 am

Will all of NW 753s be ETOPS rated, or just certain ship numbers, and if so does anybody know what exact ship numbers would be doing the Hawaii flights?

Thanks!
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 5:28 am

Thanks for the help.

I'm hoping to be travelling standby through an interline, given that the weekend are the busiest days of travel, which days would be recommended?
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 5:45 am

I'm all for newer, more fuel-efficient aircraft, but I think going to narrow-body aircraft kind of cramps a passenger's style. For example, I really like the DC-10/MD-11 layout in Economy, with the ability to get seats where there are only 2 seats together. In a 753, you're stuck in a section of 3 seats, no matter where in the plane you sit. That would get really old on a long-distance flight!
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 7:03 am

5816 is flying an etops proving run today..Sea-hnl #9868

SFO is on for this fall--

NEW SERVICE WILL INCLUDE PDX/LAS-HNL Early '05--

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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 8:50 am

What does a ETOPS proving run mean?

Does it have pax on or is it empty?
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 9:41 am

They are showing the FAA that they can fly 2 eng a/c over water.May have a non rev or two but no paying pax.This one of the last things done to get FAA approval for Hi service.
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 9:47 am

Does anyone know the departure time (HST) for the NW B753? There was one time in the past an all-white NW B753 came to HNL, forgot what it was doing here though.

Thanks for the info.

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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 9:49 am

CanadaEH: Don't put too much hope on non-reving on this particular routes (any HI flights). Our load factor, specially coming back from HI islands, has been really high. Over 90% and most flight out of HI has a good quantity of non-revs on their lists. Going over (mainland to HI) sometimes is easier than coming back. You'll be at the very bottom of the list should you not be NW's management, current employees and family, companions, nor retirees.

On average, there is at least a dozen of non-revs for each flight. A lot of people have been trying to fly on ATA or Ryan International. I believe their flat rate is $50 each way and all you need to do is just show up at their ticket counter with your airline ID. You can bring up to 2 (if not mistaken) companions when flying Ryan Int'l or ATA.

Other than that, good luck !
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 10:34 am

FAVRE - Is there any company information about SFO-HNL? NW have said so far no plans to restart this route though the possibility with the 753 seems likely.
PDX/HNL? Haven't heard this. What info do you have and from what source?
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 10:35 am

It nice to see Northwest is adding is adding service to HNL in addition to the new Tokyo service on June 10th. Does anyone know what type of equiptment they might use on that route?
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 3:11 pm

A lot of people have been trying to fly on ATA or Ryan International. I believe their flat rate is $50 each way and all you need to do is just show up at their ticket counter with your airline ID. You can bring up to 2 (if not mistaken) companions when flying Ryan Int'l or ATA.

FYI, I work for Westjet up in Canada. Are you saying that I can just show up and produce my Westjet ID and I can fly for $50?
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 5:04 pm

NWA Flight 9868 leaves HNL for SEA on the 27th..not sure what time...Favre is right about the ETOPS proving run, but the A/C was 5815...and CDGDTW, don't doubt what favre has written in here, I too have heard this about the new HNL routes and the restart of SFO-HNL...he has been right on about ALOT of things so this is a good source of info...
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 5:08 pm

the way it looks, 9868 will be leaving around 8:30 a.m....scheduled to arrive in SEA around 4:50p.m....
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 5:57 pm

Thanks for the info, I will try get out there to catch some photos.  Smile
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 6:08 pm

It will be kewl when they start the Kona Hawaii flight SEA - Kona, HI
That will make it three

SEA - HNL
SEA - OGG
SEA - Kona, HI

Better for nonrev travel now we got Hawian 2 flights a day and NW 3 flights a Day and ATA 1 Flight a day . . .Yehhhhh

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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Thu May 27, 2004 6:10 pm

For Northwest: 757-300 today to hawaii and maybe tomorrow A330-200? Is this a possibility/reality? Or is this non-sence? I try. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Fri May 28, 2004 4:10 am

looks like it is leaving a little later...

Airline Northwest
Flight Number 9868
Departure City (Airport) Honolulu, HI (HNL)
Departure Time 05/27/2004 10:20 AM
Arrival City (Airport) Seattle, WA (SEA)
Arrival Time 05/27/2004 06:21 PM
Remaining Flight Time 05:01 (planned)
Aircraft Type Boeing 757-300
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned

 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Fri May 28, 2004 4:30 am

CanadaEH:

Last time I heard, the procedure for Ryan Intl or ATA was like that (show up at the ticket counter with ID and cash). Make sure you have back-up flights in case they don't allow employees from your carrier (depending on the agreement between your company and theirs). Doesn't Air Canada fly non-stop from YVR? I believe they fly B767 to HNL.

There are lots of options out of HI... Do your homework properly before you leave the mainland. Not only US carriers fly HI-mainland, you can also try on QF, AZ, etc..
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Fri May 28, 2004 5:05 am

As of right now, the last 5 aircraft in the fleet, fleet numbers 5812/13/14/15/16 have been or are in the process of being converted to and certified for etops operation. The remainder of the fleet will be done at a rate of about one a month - they get sent to Boeing at Everett to add the relevent equipment. The etops proving flights carried FAA personnel and check out all sorts of what-ifs....like simulating how to deal with loss of pressurization or the loss of a generator mid-ocean. No, there were no non-revs allowed.

As the remainder of the -300s become certified, you will see additional services to Hawaii being announced. Yes, SFO-HNL is on the cards as is PDX-HNL, and yes I can see a second SEA-HNL eventually too.....I think one or two of these will be announced for December. I haven't heard about LAS-HNL, but that would be possible too. NWA certainly think they have found a niche in the Hawaii market with the -300. Problem is that they only have 16 aircraft and also need them for such markets as MSP/DTW-SEA/LAX/MCO. And yes, non-revving to/from the west coast on the 757-300 will be a real challenge - better have back-up plans as mentioned in the good suggestions mentioned earlier in this thread. At least with OGG-KOA-SEA beginning in July versus the original OGG-SEA, there should not be any payload restrictions.

The extra NRT-HNL service - NWA 24/23 will be three days a week with a 747-200 and will be operating from mid July to the end of August. NWA are very good at adding frequencies in markets for short durations to suit market peaks, so this flight will certainly operate again at other times of the year too. The KIX-HNL operation with a DC10 was announced as being seasonal, but it will be year-round. As for NGO-HNL, as the Japanese market rebounds, there have been discussions about this being reinstated with the DC10.
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Fri May 28, 2004 8:01 am

Will NW continue to send the remaining B753s that need ETOPS certification to HNL?

Noticed the change of schedule, had to rush off for an appointment before the B753 could depart. Oh well.

I don't believe an A333 will be visiting HNL anytime soon. Where did you get that info?
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Fri May 28, 2004 5:12 pm

I haven't heard about LAS-HNL, but that would be possible too.

This route would do well considering the only airlines to fly scheduled non-stop to LAS is HA and OAI (I believe AQ stops in BUR and OAK.)

Another route for NW to consider is KOA-LAS. As of now, people that want to travel to LAS from KOA must go through HNL, OAK, LAX or SFO. The people of Hawaii love to go to Vegas, the KOA-LAS market would be very lucrative. I would love to see UA start KOA-LAS service but we all know they like to run everything through SFO or LAX. Thus, this leaves the route wide open for NW.
 
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RE: Northwest To Hawaii

Fri May 28, 2004 5:39 pm

Unless an airline has a contract with a charter company/wholesaler, HNL-LAS will not be a smart route to start. Most travel between HNL-LAS is on charter packages bought through travel agencies, which usually include room and meals. Plus, most like to stay in the downtown hotels and the charter companies' packages include many downtown hotels. Many of the inclusive package prices usually cost the same or less than the airfare on a scheduled airline flight, which would usually include a stopover. AQ picks up a lot of pax in BUR and OAK and HA usually have the loyal HA pax and those who don't care to stay downtown.

Plus, the KOA-LAS traffic isn't very big. It probably could fill a 737, but not a 757.

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