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Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 6:48 am

I just read on http://www.yyznews.com that there are "unconfirmed reports that the airline is talking to Boeing about replacement aircraft for their Airbus A310s and the A330 fleet. Possible candidates are the Boeing 767-300/400 and the new Boeing 7E7 Dreamliner, commencing in 2008."

The rumour that TS might switch to Boeing has already been discussed on this board, but I was wondering if anyone had more credible/sure information about this? Any TS insiders with more info?

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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 7:21 am

I don't know anything about that website, how credible its information is or whatever... but since the A330s are fairly new and some of the more recent A310s have only just joined the fleet, I personally don't think it'll happen in the near future. Sure, the A310s will be a bit older by then, but that doesn't mean anything. They could probably get a good deal on 767s given that orders are hardly pouring in at the moment, but they haven't done. The A330s won't be that old, and look how long they kept the Tristar!

(To answer your question, no I don't have any credible information, just thought I'd chuck in my 2 pence worth and keep the thread alive!  Smile)
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 7:31 am

TS has been actively pursuing replacement aircraft for a while now. The 777's and 767's have been considered, although people from within the company say that the 7E7 is the favoured candidate now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 7E7 come into the fleet. And before anybody says "Air Transat only buys old aircraft", that's not the case at all. Remember, they got the A330's brand new.

Let's wait and see what happens.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 7:37 am

Well, you learn something new every day...  Smile

Why do they want replacement aircraft? I guess the A310s are probably only a stop-gap, but are they not happy with the performance of the A330 or something? Seems odd given that a lot of charter carriers using it, particularly the A330-200, love it.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 7:56 am

Back about 5 years when I worked out at YVR the Air Transat base manger sid they wanted 767's but the cost was too high? I would love to see A Canadian Airline with a 777 bu I dont think AT will ever get one
 
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 8:19 am

Seems to me that the capacity of the 767 or A310 is perfect for an airline such as Air Transat, while the A330 can prove too large for certain routes, thus limiting flexibility. When you include the superior economics of a modern aircraft with advanced technology (7E7) and capacity that suits the route network beautifully, you have an ideal aircraft for the needs of Air Transat.  Smile
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 10:09 am

I would say highly unlikely for the 767 family because they have the 330's already and most charters use them. Definitely they wont switch to the 767-400. As for the 7E7, this is a possibility. I heard rumours of this aircraft joining the TS fleet in large numbers to expand into Asia. Just to remind you, this is just rumours, we'll just have to wait and see.

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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 10:13 am

"I would say highly unlikely for the 767 family because they have the 330's already and most charters use them. Definitely they wont switch to the 767-400."

The 330's are on their way out too...this is one aircraft to replace two types. In my opinion its a great move...The 767 is a great cross between the 310 and 330, and would probalby fit nicely...Not to mention some new Boeing metal in Canada would be a bonus...
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 11:16 am

I'm just dreading the idea of Air Transat squeezing 8-across in a 767. If that were to occur, my whole affection for the 67 would decline greatly.
 
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 11:19 am


Spyderz---You hit the nail on the head!!!

"8-across" - I laughed my ass off until I realized you were probably right!
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 1:01 pm

"more pax on 767 than a 380"
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Thu May 27, 2004 2:12 pm

I know that summer time Canada to england and amsterdam A330 flights are all full
 
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 12:50 am

I would personnaly love to see TS add 767s to their fleet. They could use a mix of used 762s, 763s and maybe new 764s. As for the 7E7, that came as a suprise to me, but who knows.

If they do acquire the 767, I wonder if they'll go back to the 757? They were great for thinner routes to the Caribbean and Florida (and even to Europe). Their smallest aircraft now being the 310, they lease in 2 A320s in the winter for thinner routes.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 1:01 am

Spyderz

Britannia Airways over here in the UK manages to squeeze 8 across their 767's in a 2-4-2 layout. Absolutely awful!!  Smile

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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 1:12 am

You guys have to remember something. The Transat aircraft replacement is not short-term, but rather something more towards the end of the decade. The 767 will be quite old tech by then, so I would imagine the 7E7 might be favoured for Air Transat.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 1:35 am

ZOOM currently uses 763's so I think the 763 would be a good replacement for the 310. As for the 330, it's rather new and very efficient. Air Transat may want to replace them in 2008 with the 7E7; if Transat's still operating then....
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 2:33 am

I can't see why they would want to dispos eof the 330's just yet. They got them stright off the production line didn't they. The Airbus A310's might possibly go . I dont think the 767 is a likely move for the airline, however i think they may purchase the 7E7 dreamliner in 2008.
 
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 2:48 am

I think that they got their 342, GKTS from Dragonair but I'm not quite sure. I seem to remember that that 300 had a few more options inside than the other 200's.
 
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 7:19 am

Like said many people here... Exclude the A330 of this topic.
Air Transat buy it new and other flying less then 2-3 years for the others compagny.

Cessnapimp said : I think that they got their 342, GKTS from Dragonair but I'm not quite sure.

that's false , I'm not really sure!!! But I have very good contact inside Air transat and he know that I love plane and I'm sure he give my a call if this is right.. No A340-200 in Air Transat fleet.

and yes they think on the 7E7 for the future for remplace the old A310, but is very expensive (new pilot formation and all technician). They only start to think on replacement.

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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 7:44 am

I doubt that TS will replace their A330s in the next 10 years. In 2008, those a/cs will still be less than 10 years old and their leasing rates will plummet as the 7E7 enters commercial service. So no need to replace them...

The 7E7-8 would be a candidate to replace the 313s but we got to consider that TS is in no hurry to replace them and that before 2010, Airbus will come up with a replacement for the whole 300/310 and 330 series.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:16 am

"that's false , I'm not really sure!!! But I have very good contact inside Air transat and he know that I love plane and I'm sure he give my a call if this is right.. No A340-200 in Air Transat fleet."

I thought the same at first, so I typed the registration of the aircraft into the search engine and it came up with... Airbus A330-342. I think Cessnapimp was referring to the model number, rather than the aircraft type.

However... aren't all of Air Transat's A330-300s powered by RR Trent 700s, which would make them -342 series?
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:23 am

Just a little correction. Cessnapimp is usually more on the ball than that, or he was purposely trying to confuse. I can see either situation being possible.  Big grin

Air Transat only has one A330-300 series. The rest are 200's, so I hope that helps a bit. The breakdown of actual model numbers and engine types, I don't know off the top of my head, but hopefully somebody can look it up.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:35 am

The A330-200s are powered by RR Trent 772Bs... which would make them -243s.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 8:58 am

Captain; You should know better than to doubt the pimp ;-]

As for everyone else - TS will do what they have to... At the end of the decade. THAT, you can definitely be sure of.

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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 9:13 am

It's not a question of age...I've heard that the dispatch reliability of some (many) of the 330's is not all that good. Same goes for the 310, they are interim equipment being used to offset the much higher operating costs (fuel/crew) /parts availability associated with the L10 fleet.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 10:43 am

Greg is correct. The lone TS 333 is ex-Dragonair. The 3 332's were all delivered new to TS.

Interestingly, the TS 333 and 332's all have the same number of seats (perhaps so the 333 can be used interchangeably with the 332's). The 332's are 9-abreast, the 333 8-abreast.

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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 10:52 am

True Neil, and I too would imagine it was for interchangeability that they kept the same seating capacity on the 200's and the 300. I had the opportunity to fly on their A330-300, and it was surprisingly comfortable, for a charter airline.
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 1:01 pm

I dont see why they would even think of getting rid of the A330 or the A310's
 
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RE: Air Transat 767s?

Fri May 28, 2004 1:37 pm

As has been stated, the A310's will be fairly old by the end of the decade. Older aircraft become much more expensive to operate, and it seems as though a company with money is better off getting new aircraft that are more economical to operate. Air Transat fortunately is in a good enough position to be able to afford the acquisition of new aircraft from time to time.

It is more debatable whether or not it is wise to get rid of the A330's, but as has been suggested, perhaps they are not ideal from an operational standpoint. Their size can be a hinderance at times, plus they lag in reliability compared to some of the competition.

But again, I remind you all, this aircraft replacement will take place towards the end of the decade, so arguing based on the current situation is not realistic. You must look into the future, as Air Transat is doing, in order to come up with a sound decision.
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