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CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 6:58 am

I just read on CO's fleet plan that by the end of 2005, the MD-80s will be completely gone! I wonder if they will replace them with anything?
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:00 am

They have been phasing them out for months, and they are being replaced by 737-800 aircraft.

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:01 am

They have 737's on order, I'd imagine those are the replacement.

Unfilled 737 orders for CO:

737-700: 15
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737-900: 3
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:21 am

At one time, CO had 65+ of the type. As of my last count, that number was reduced to 17.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:48 am

Wow! They're going fast!
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:50 am

There's a plane I won't miss. In comparison to the rest of the CO fleet, which is extremely clean, well-maintained, and new inside, these MD-80s really look old. They really drag the rest of the CO fleet down.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:52 am

As much as I love the MD-80, I can't wait to see CO's go!

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:00 am

My first commercial jet flight was on a CO MD-81. I will be sad to see them go.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:00 am

Not a moment too soon.

Alas, AA still flies tons of MD-80's out of DFW!!!
How long before those things go?
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:01 am

When are they going to get more widebodys? and more int routes
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:03 am

I don't know about if they want any widebodies. It should wait to see what is going on for CO will get rid of them.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:06 am

Now if only AA would get rid of their little Tubes of Torture
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:27 am

I've flown CO's entire short haul fleet from the ERJ-135 to the 737-900 and I must say the Mad Dogs were among the most pleasant airplanes to fly. That is, as long as you were forward of row 25. It's sad to see them go (they made for real variety here in CLE) but I've known they'd be gone soon for quite some time,

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 8:43 am

I'm so glad were finally getting rid of those nasty planes!
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 9:41 am

At the end of the year, 2004 will have seen Continental unload a total of 20 MD-80s, leaving 3 in the active fleet for 2005. The remainder will be disposed of by 2Q '05, replaced by a mix of 737-800s and ERJ-145XR aircraft.

As far as 737-800s, we will have taken 11 in 2004, bringing the total fleet to 92 examples. Seven more are scheduled for 2005.

737-700 deliveries are finito. Gordon has indicated in the past that there are no plans to add more -700s to the fleet.

All 757-300s have been delivered in the first half of the year (5), including the last of its type ever built. Total fleet now numbers 9 and obviously will never be augmented with new-builds.

As for Express, over 40 ERJ-145XR's are scheduled for this year and next, with a pretty consistent delivery schedule to further grow our Express operation in frequency and increasingly more distant city pairs.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:25 am

Sad to hear, but times are changing and as much as some people don't like it, fleets do need to be replaced. If we had 707s (passenger) and old Comets (passenger) still in service they would be loud, clunky, and uncomfortable. As much as you might want to say it'd be great to see old relics like that back in the fleets, as soon as you had to fly them a few dozen times, you'd be singing a different tune. Those older jets are to be remembered fondly and that is it. There is such thing as an expiration date on an aircraft (although NWA doesn't seem to have gotten that memo  Big grin) The MD-80 was great, but now it is time for it to bow out gracefully and let it's replacement do it's job.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:26 am

At last!!
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:33 am

Well, now that's a pretty strong opinion Cx123. Although, just to be fair, I have noticed that their fan base is not that big. Oh well.....

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:38 am

I agree that sitting at the back of any aircraft with rear-mounted engines is unpleasant, but the MD80's are otherwise great planes to fly, and I don't understand the almost irrational hatred so many express in this forum. I love flying MD80's, because I like the 2/3 seating. I've never felt more cramped or crowded on one of them than on any other mainline aircraft. Give me an MD80 over ANY RJ anytime!
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:42 am

I thought the seating is 3x3 in Y Class?
But i don't recall as I was in F on AA (Which is a lot worst than CX's Y Class)
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:45 am

Oh gawd I just hate those dirty, loud, tubular hunks of douglas crapola....In fact I cannot sleep at night for all the tension as I await that wonderful, heavenly day when they all bite the dust as they should have centuries ago.

But seriously.....when these are gone, what's left that will be worth flying? The MD-11 if you hurry.

The only way to beat douglas was to buy 'em out and cancel their aircraft.....More Boeing ingenuity...... gotta love it.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The rash emotionalism proves just how deep the MD-80's affected aviation....and you WILL miss them when they are gone.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:53 am

Where are CO's MadDawgs going? Mojave? American? Some African airline?
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:56 am

It's sad to see so many MD-80 haters here.

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 12:17 pm

It's because you aren't attracting us MD-80 lovers. I, for one, think it's a GREAT airplane- built WAY tougher than anything Airbus has yet to pul our of their hineys, and Boeing too.

CX123, if you post a message in the main room entitled, "ALL MD-80s ARE HORRIBLE PLANES," I think you'll find yourself corrected about the MD-80 fan club. We're here.

And no MD-80 has 3-3 seating. It's not legal. Get your planes straight.

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 5:24 pm

AS said the same thing about their M80s. What they said in 1998 that they plan on a complete phase out of the M80 out of the fleet by summer of 2003, but look, they are still with AS today. My point is that dont expect CO or AA to phase out their M80s when they say they will be gone. Look at at AS...they still have the M80s.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:00 pm

Twenty or more ex-CO MD80s are currently operating with various airlines in Indonesia, with plans to acquire more. One of the biggest operators of the planes is Lion Air, with about 15 ex-CO examples in its fleet, based in Jakarta. Some of the planes look indeed extremely worn from the inside.

 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 7:14 pm

"Look at at AS...they still have the M80s."

And I can't wait to fly on one next month to SEA! I haven't been on an MD-80 since the days of Reno Air and its sad to see them start to slowly disappear from the aviation world. Glad AS kept them this long!
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 9:26 pm

I bet that the average age of CO M80s are older than AA's M80s.


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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 10:31 pm

I've had many a flight on CO Mad Dogs in the pasy few years and have always enjoyed them. Despite their age, the interiors were in pretty nice shape. Most of the planes I flew on had the larger bins installed and all had the newer seats with winged headrests. Couple that with the generally good service by the Continental flight-crew and you have a good flying experience.

The only reason I can see to hate to MD-80 is if you fly first. Because the cabin is narrower, a 2-2 setup gives you are noticably narrower seat vs. a 737 or A320.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 10:34 pm

I always loved the MD-80! I'll be sad to see them go.

Anyone know if these are still part of the CO fleet?


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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 10:59 pm

I agree with AA 737-823...the MD-80s are some the toughest & well built aircraft around.

I don't get all the hate on here for them....are some of you guys the same ones that always lambast the NW DC-9's? Well if ever there was an example
of long life and utility built into an airplane there is one right there.

Face it, large users such as AA will have them for years to come..plain economics. I glanced at thier annual report several weeks ago that came with my stock proxy, and as I recall the very first ones, that were leased on a sweetie deal back in the early 1980's go back to the leasing companies in 2006 or 8 or so.

The MD-80 will be around for a long time..and I'd choose an MD-80 any time over the plasticy A 320 series...Just my 2 cents worth.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:23 pm

I remember reading under one of the cabin pictues of an ex. People Express MD-80 that they were all out of the CO fleet by the mid to early 90s.

Pretty sure that none of the People Express A/C are still in the CO fleet. Also, I assume that the MD-80 pikots would be sent to the 737 program? I have to think that some of the Captains of the Mad Dogs may have seniority that would push them into the left seat of a 757/767 or the right seat on a 777. It is an old plane, any info is appreciated!
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Thu May 27, 2004 11:36 pm

Ramerinianair;

PE never flew the MD-80. They were New York Air.

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 3:24 am

The last time I looked at the commercial jet census, which has been quite a while. It looked like the CO Md-80s all came from New York Air, Frontier, Muse, and Alaska... Did CO ever order any of them new, or did they all come second hand through the other carriers owned by Texas International.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 10:29 am

Just out of curisoty, I think there are more MD80 accidents than the A320 series (I am NOT a big fan of Airbus, but I mean overall comfort and IFE on the A320 is clearly 10 times better than the MD80 which = Prehistroic (> then 15 years old in some cases)

Also the toilet in MD80.... YUK it is still those liquid ones with no suction!

Also the window blinds!!! flimpsy paper like plastic that does not even have a proper handle (just an outdate logo of MD)
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 12:14 pm

CO is my primary and favorite airline (since I live in Houston, I may seem biased), but the only time I ever flew on one of their MD-80's was in November 2001. On that flight to PHX one of the flight attendants told me that all of these planes were to be retired by mid-2002. That obviously didn't happen; either he was mistaken, or 9/11 pushed back the retirement schedule, or a combination of both.

They are pretty rare nowadays, though. Sitting in an old CO 733 on a trip to ATL a few weeks ago, an MD-80 was pushing back from the gate next to us at IAH Terminal D; the first one I've seen in a long time.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 12:33 pm

Nice planes. Sad to see them go... Terrific ride if you're forward of the wing.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 12:46 pm

The First Class seatson the MD-80s are smaller than the 737NG and 757 fleet, but you are only losing an inch of width over the 737-300/500 FC, and the MD-80 and 737-300 both have the same pitch up front. The seats had the new headrests, but most are getting noticeably worn, the Mad Dogs were some of the first aircraft to be refitted with the new seats in both cabins.

One thing that was nice about the MD-80 was the good F:Y ratio, which almost guaranteed an upgrade for Elites. The 14/127 on the MD-80s is more attractive than the 14/141 on the 737-800s that will be replacing them, even still your odds are pretty good. However, on full flights to Elite-heavy destinations (where you'll rarely see MD-80s these days), it can get hairy especially for Silvers or those flying cheaper fares.
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 12:54 pm

Yukkie toilets and cheap blinds.......added to a highly subjective safety comparison = major reach.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Fri May 28, 2004 3:52 pm

It looked like the CO Md-80s all came from New York Air, Frontier, Muse, and Alaska...

Let me clarify about AS's M80....CO didnt get the M80 directly from AS. AS lease returned them back to the ILFC and then CO got it from the ILFC leased or probably purchased.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Sat May 29, 2004 5:05 am

Yeah, I'll take a mad dog with the 3-2 seating anyday over the 'bus or the Boeing.
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Sat May 29, 2004 5:19 pm

I really like the MD-80 and I'm not sure why all of the haters have come out for this thread. I guess if you grade an airliner primarily on its window shades and IFE then the MD-80 is bound to be a disappointment.  Nuts
 
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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Sat May 29, 2004 11:19 pm

As a dispatcher of our beautiful airplanes, I am sad to see the airplane go, but economics are driving this plane to an early retirement here. The seating is excellent in coach, 2 x 3, the ride is smooth and quiet wing forward, and riding in the flight deck allows one to watch pilots navigating rather than punching buttons...again, it's all a matter of opinion here...

As for the fleet, as of today, 5-29, there are 14 MD-80s still flying with CO. Ships 827, 833 and this morning, 879, have all been ferried from IAH-GYR, where the majority of the last 20 retirees have gone for storage and hoped for onward life. Most of our MD-80s have found new life with other carriers, some in Indonesia as a previous comment mentioned, with Bouraq and Lion Air, some with Allegiant Air and TransMeridian here in the US, and that's a testament to the quality of the airframe, the age of the airplane and the maintenance performed over the years being highly regarded.

The MD-80 may make it into 2005, but only a couple will remain into the new year, if any at all.

My personal favorite in the fleet still flies, N72825, mainly because the registration is my birthday (8-25-72)...and for those that remember the LGA incident years ago, N18835 still flies as well, however that airplane is believed to be the next to be retired...

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RE: CO Phasing Out MD-80s!

Sun May 30, 2004 1:57 pm

I drove out to LGA with a friend of mine from EWR MX to take a look at 835 after it took a dip in the Flushing Bay, and was shocked when they told us that they were going to try to return the airplane to airworthy condition. There was extensive damage at the nose, the fuselage had buckled at several points forward of the wing, and the skin had creased up pretty nicely at the points where the fuselage weakened. Definitely gotta hand it to the crews that brought that bird back to life, certainly could have been a write-off there, and the fact that it is still in service today without a problem speaks for the quality of the work done and the resilience of the airframe itself. Although I personally never got the chance to fly one, I will miss them simply because I am partial to Douglas products, and once the Mad Dogs are gone, the MD/DC era at Continental will have come to an end.

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