SonOfACaptain
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737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 12:34 pm

This letter was sent to my dad. (I'm not sure I'm allowed to post it  Smile ) Anyway I only pasted a small portion of it.

May 21, 2004


Dear Pilots:

Last week your MEC Chairman, Capt. Andy Hughes, was presented with an unwritten, verbal "offer" from Mesa Air Group Management for a 737 operation. This operation was presented as an independent, stand-alone, up to 10 aircraft venture out of Pittsburgh. The offer was also presented under an implied threat that if the offer was not accepted, then the certificate, and flying under it, would be sold.

The offer was as follows:

- 737 Captain Pay Rates at 20% over the CRJ 900
- 737 First Officer pay at current Jet First Officer Pay Rates
- 2-year extension to the current Collective Bargaining Agreement
(thru Sept. 19, 2009)
- No Jet-to-Jet First Officer Movement


Hope you enjoy it.

-SOAC

(Edited to fix a mistake)

[Edited 2004-05-27 05:38:59]
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iowaman
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 12:46 pm

Interesting......... I would have thought Mesa wouldn't consider them since they are a regional airline like Skywest, Mesaba, etc.
 
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 12:48 pm

>>>This letter was sent to my dad. (I'm not sure I'm allowed to post it

They why post it until you asked your Dad? Why put your Dad in the possible position of having to explain why his son posted an excerpt from an ALPA letter on a worldwide forum?
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SonOfACaptain
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 12:56 pm

They why post it until you asked your Dad? Why put your Dad in the possible position of having to explain why his son posted an excerpt from an ALPA letter on a worldwide forum?

Hey now, lol, it was just a little joke. He wouldn't nor would Mesa MEC mind if I put a small piece of a huge letter on this. No harm done. (I'm not a bad son, I promise  Smile )

-SOAC
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Aviationhack
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 12:59 pm

Looks like someone's looking to get booted from the gravytrain. Good luck finding an apartment  Smile
 
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:03 pm

>>>He wouldn't nor would Mesa MEC mind

Then it appears that you've contradicted your own statement...  Insane

Whatever....

>>>The offer was also presented under an implied threat that if the offer was not accepted, then the certificate, and flying under it, would be sold

Gotta love that "style" of negotiation....  Insane
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:05 pm

Is this also in conjunction with your Rumors from within US thread?
 
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:06 pm

Yeah we all got the same letter in our E-mail from Johnny-O. We already have the 737's, 8 of them that are ready to go. I believe that they are being stored in a hangar out at Goodyear. Its part of Johnny's back up plan should US have more problems and not make it, but what I have herd is that alot of the pilots would not touch a 737 for that kind of pay and low ball the other pilots (WN,DL for ex.) that make good pay flying it and set yet another bad example like Mesa is prone to do.
 
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:09 pm

I'm somewhat confused Sonofacaptain........does your dad work for USairways, or Mesa, because you have now claimed he works for US in one thread, and YV in this thread.........which is it?
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:11 pm

It is possible that he was furloughed and is part of the "Jets for Jobs" deal
 
SonOfACaptain
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:18 pm

I'm somewhat confused Sonofacaptain........does your dad work for USairways, or Mesa, because you have now claimed he works for US in one thread, and YV in this thread.........which is it?

Lol, I think I have made it a little confusing  Smile . Ok, this is the tiny summary of my dad's sad airline career for the past year and half (This is the 3rd time he has been furloughed) On Jan. 1st, 2003 my dad was furloughed. (Ok we will skip the summer time) On Aug. 16 he started training for Mesa Airlines on a CRJ-200 flying under US Airways Express banner. Sometime during the winter he made capt.  Smile . And this is were we are at today. (And he is counting down the days until Oct. (That's when his contract for Mesa is up and he can go to MidAtlantic, flying the Emb-170 (Which is an AWESOME plane to ride in)

-SOAC
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:21 pm

If Mesa got the 737s, would they continue to code share for HP and UA?
 
SonOfACaptain
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:22 pm

It is possible that he was furloughed and is part of the "Jets for Jobs" deal

Dang it Freshlove1, you make me write that big explanation when I could have just said that. Geeez lol  Smile .

-SOAC
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737Captain
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 1:26 pm

ahhh, my bad, I understand now.......Jets for Jobs didn't even cross my mind till you posted that
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 3:25 pm

go to mesalounge.com----you can view the pix of the 300s that are at gyr...all are ex co 733....and pieces of @#$% to boot....no doubt J.O. threw about 3.40 plus speed tape to get them airworthy......
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Thu May 27, 2004 3:48 pm

Yeah we all got the same letter in our E-mail from Johnny-O. We already have the 737's, 8 of them that are ready to go. I believe that they are being stored in a hangar out at Goodyear.

Yeah right...I'll believe it when I see it.  Yeah sure If Mesa is serious about this, they would be in violation of codeshare agreements. They cant operate an aircraft with more than 90 seats or something like that.

If Mesa got the 737s, would they continue to code share for HP and UA?

If and only if this was to happen, Im sure it would tick off HP for sure. Sad Mesa has got to be very very careful at what they are going to do in terms of aircraft aquiring and pax configuration.

no doubt J.O. threw about 3.40 plus speed tape to get them airworthy......

He probably used permaseal (for floor panels) tape with Cargo pit tape to keep the airframe together. Yeah sure
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Fri May 28, 2004 12:56 am

And this also was previously mentioned in the media, as I post in a thread a few days ago. According to public statements anyway, this is only one possible alternative being looked at by Mesa in the event that US fails.

Monday's media article about TheStreet.com discussing Mesa and 737s.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ts/040524/10161930_4.html
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RE: 737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe

Fri May 28, 2004 3:25 am

Uadc8contrail,

Give me a break regarding the CO 733 comment...A good sign of an airplane's worth is the maintenance done to it by the previous carrier. Note that a good portion of CO's MD-82s have gone on to fly for other carriers, quite a few more than US's (granted that theirs are -81s). And also note that COs 737-300s are almost all accounted for since they've gone to the desert, becoming cargo birds for TNT in Belgium, and soon to become Mesa's 737-300s (Ship 308 should be the first one I'm told)...even the 3 -500s were snatched up within a week of returning to the lessor.

Anything in Mesa's contract preventing them from flying them for a carrier that has yet to start service? VirginRed (USA, whatever) anyone?

JSD
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