Max777
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Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Thu May 27, 2004 11:56 pm

I don't have a lot of information at this time, but something happened at LAX involving World Airways MD-11. I will try to find more information. If anyone has any info, please post it.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 12:00 am

Here is the link...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TAIL_HEAVY_PLANE?SITE=APWEB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 12:05 am

"LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A cargo plane being unloaded at Los Angeles International Airport became unbalanced and tipped onto its rear wheels Thursday, stranding seven workers 40 feet above ground.

"As soon as they took whatever it was out of the back of the plane, the weight shifted and the plane just went back on its tail," said Bob Collis, a fire spokesman.

The uninjured workers were rescued after about an hour by firefighters using a ladder truck, he said. Television footage showed a conveyor belt crushed under the plane's tail.

The accident involving the MD-11 World Airways cargo plane happened around 3:15 a.m. at the airport's cargo complex, away from regular airport traffic."

The Associated Press.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:07 am

What kind of damage usually results from this? I've seen a number of tail down pics in the database. Outside of some scratching on the tail is there any consequences to a tail-down?
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:22 am

Well, if someone from here snaps a picture of that, I can see that being the "Top of Yesterday" pic on the home page.  Big grin
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:22 am

"As soon as they took whatever it was out of the back of the plane, the weight shifted and the plane just went back on its tail," said Bob Collis, a fire spokesman.

Lets be correct they had to off load the front first for that to happen.

MD11F is off loaded as follows:

Lower Rear Belly First.
Upper Deck Next.
Lower Forward belly Last.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:30 am

If the object that caused the weight shift was at the back of the plane, how did the plane end up on its tail...because if that quote was correct wouldn't most of the weight be near the front of the plane at that point, putting more pressure on the front landing gear rather then tipping in the back?
Grant it, I suck at physics...but this still doesn't make sense.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:42 am

I agree LV, doesn't make any sense that it would tip back when they took weight off the back of the plane.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:44 am

This may occurred after landing - and no fuel in the a/c, shifting a lot of weight.

You may then think, how was it loaded? Maybe fuel was in the a/c when it was loaded.B4
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:49 am

Granted, I suck at physics...

Evidently, not nearly as much as reporters do.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 2:30 am

If you take a look at this LAX web-cam you can see she is still tilted up.  Sad

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/032301_FS_web_cam.html

It's not a good picture, but it's better than nothing, and it's live!!


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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 2:58 am

Could someone try to get the registration number?

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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 3:07 am

It's N275WA and it's still sitting on it's ass...

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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 4:17 am

I wonder what will happen if they ever load or unload an A380 freighter wrong? That would be a sight to see.

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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 4:25 am

Whew,

At least it wasn't one of our leased birds.

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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:27 am

what is it that they say about the MD-11...nose heavy in the air tail heavy on the ground?
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:38 am

Could this be the end of this a/c? to be wfu'd and broken up? Could there be structural damage? With this old of an a/c, probably not worth it to fix if significant damage and cheaper to go out to the dessert and find an old DC10/MD-11 and get it converted.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:04 am

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I've seen a few cargo planes on their rear, usually you just right the aircraft, have it inspected and it's back in the air. I don't think WO will be chartering an aircraft to go searching the desert for a replacement just yet.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:13 am

With this old of an a/c, probably not worth it to fix if significant damage

What? The oldest MD-11 in existence is only 14 years old. Most are younger. The A/C entered service in late 1990. Not exactly "old"
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:19 am

In fact, this craft was built in 1995:

Serial Number 48631 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name MCDONNELL DOUGLAS Certificate Issue Date 03/02/1995
Model MD-11F Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Jet
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50535404
MFR Year 1995 Fractional Owner NO



Registered Owner

Name INTERNATIONAL LEASE FINANCE CORP
Street 1999 AVE OF THE STARS FL 39
City LOS ANGELES State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90067
County LOS ANGELES
Country UNITED STATES



Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer P&W Classification Standard
Engine Model PW4000 SER Category Transport

A/W Date 02/23/1995
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:23 am

Hey, does that Webcam link work for everyone except me?

I quite agree with you Brons2 the MD11 is not exactly old hehe, and it is very rare that this kind of accident writes the aircraft off anyway.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:27 am

Carledwards-Try again, I had trouble a few minutes ago, but just tried and the picture came through fine.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:39 am

Hey thanks skyhawk, I've got it now. It does look funny! I hope someone manages to get a photo of it.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 12:22 pm

Sorry for saying the a/c here was 'old', I thought it was a DC-10, not a late production MD-11. I still wonder if there was serious structural damage that could be very expensive to fix and how long it will be out of service. Maybe the dessert could have some parts they need to replace rather than a source of a replacement.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 12:37 pm

When KE tipped an MD-11F in SYD, the plane was out of service for several months for repairs.

Also, you have to make sure you continue to move freight forward on the MD-11F to prevent tipping. You can not leave too much weight in the rear. I have worked on the MD-11 for EVA and also good a little nervous pushing pallets around on the plane and feel the aircraft move.

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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 12:45 pm

Gents, i saw some photos about this incident, i saw them at work. Its true, there was a belt loader crushed quite badly, and there is some major damage to the tail of the aircraft.
 
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 1:12 pm

I saw the incident today at LAX, but wasn't able to post about it. It was so crazy! I'm used to seeing the World MD-11 in that spot, and I'm used to seeing a MD-11 in that "take-off" position, but NOT in that position on Imperial and La Cienega!

There was a fire truck there with a ladder at the front left door, and lots of people standing around looking at it.

It sure was a crazy sight to see! Simply amazing!
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:00 pm


Hi!

Here we go again, another MD11 tipped on, I really stopped counting how many MD11/DC-10's already did that!!!!
It will be fine don't worry guys.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:02 pm

Why the hell are they taking sooo long to put it down, Its almost been 24 hours!!!
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:05 pm

Just looked again a few mins later and its back on the ground at 3.00am  Nuts
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:06 pm

This is what happened to a KE MD-11.


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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:30 pm

Quote from the reply 2:
"As soon as they took whatever it was out of the back of the plane, the weight shifted and the plane just went back on its tail," fire department spokesman Bob Collis said.

Maybe Bob Collis just made a mistake saying back when he meant front? Maybe they unloaded the first upperdeck ULD before unloading the lower aft hold!?

Speculation in case Bob Collis didn't made a mistake: Maybe the a/c was loaded incorrectly/unbalanced.
I could think that if fuel tanks are almost empty and you have loaded the a/c just under the limit (under as being not correct) which shouldn't effect the actual flying yet because of the safety marginal but in this case even the smallest weight could be too much and cause the tipping!? Say, the lower aft hold was not fully loaded but you had a pallet/container on the front of the hold - to be able to get this ULD out you need to shift it back to the door. This could be enough to tip the a/c - but only if the loading has been done incorrectly and the a/c is bit too much tail heavy.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:44 pm

Does anyone have any real pictures? As we all know, there's never a camera too far away from something like this, and the live link doesn't/hasn't shown us much more than a MD-11 about to rotate into a passenger gate.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 7:48 pm

Whats the procedure for putting one of those back on all its feet? I assume they dont just put the cargo they took out of the front back in, that would cause quite the bounce.
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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 8:11 pm

You can use some inflatable airbags or crane(s) or combination of those two to get it back up!

By the way, not only MD11/DC10 tail tip... actually it's easier to tip 747 than MD11. Thing is that on 747 loading most of the airlines requires kind of a support jack to be placed under the tail to prevent tipping during loading/unloading.


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RE: Breaking News...World Airways MD-11

Fri May 28, 2004 11:35 pm

So it's clear how it's tipped back, but how do they right it? Is the nose gear damaged in the process?

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