A320319318
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Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 1:45 am

Confirmed!

Mexicana will retire their F100's once 318's arrive. F100's will go to AeroCaribe, which will have a name change to MEXICANA-INTER. It's possible that MX-INTER will operate routes to US, such as LAX-SJD, due to lower operating costs. FYI......when MX purchased Aero Caribe/Aero Cozumel back in early 90's the name Mexicana-Inter was adopted, but later dropped. Exciting news for MX!......keep posted!
 
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 1:55 am


Welcome to a.net, A320319318!

Do you know when MX is due to receive their first 318?
 
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 1:58 am

I am glad MX is getting rid of her uncomfy F100's. Airbuses of the 318-321 family are so much more comfortable abreast-wise. I just hope they get the nice 32" pitch her A319's and A320's have got.

On the other hand, even when I can see the logic in switching names to MexicanaInter, I will miss the AeroCaribe name (and cool tail livery displaying a mayan hieroglyph depicting a bird). I guess I just like it better...

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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 1:59 am

Thanks, Jose, glad to be on this great site!
A318's should begin arriving in Sep-early Oct! Brand Spanking new!
 
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 2:18 am

JoseMex,

1st 318 its schedule for late August first days of September. 1st QA F100 will roll out from the hangars also in August/September.

A320319318,

They'll change name to MX Inter! What about the livery? MX and QA should merge! Same for AM and 5D. Instead of 4 they should be only 2.

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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 2:24 am

Hi everybody, look´s like the A318 will arrive earlier this year.
About Mexicana-Inter, they tried that time ago, but for some reasons they leave the name Aerocaribe, it looks like i´ll stay that name. The livery will change, and some routes will be added.
About the 4 airlines becoming only 2, that won´t be possible, because the competition law (Ley de competencia, leyes antimonopolio).
I can´t wait to see the 318, hope they send it to MTY.
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 2:29 am

<< They'll change name to MX Inter! What about the livery? MX and QA should merge! Same for AM and 5D. Instead of 4 they should be only 2. >>

Doesn't make much financial sense, since they have different cost structures and different legal and labor liabilities. Basically, the overhead of QA and 5D is relatively lower than that of MX and AM - more on the side of a LCC than of a "Legacy" carrier. Their employees are compensated differently (and those of the first two tend to make less than those of the latter two). The structure supporting retired employees is different as well (and a significant expense too). In sum, it would discombobulate the financials of both parties in each merger...

That financial relief is why DL has opened Song, CO Continental Express, AA American Eagle, and so on. It doesn't make sense to row against the river flow on this one.

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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 3:41 am

Hi guys...
Nice news about the 318`s but also nice news about the f100`s for QA, I believe that their base its going to be CUN, so wait for the pictures of the F100 with the new colors... Are all the F100 of MX are going to join QA...?
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 4:59 am

Just to remember how they looked (I couldn't find one in a.net) although I have an old pic I hope you enjoy.

http://www.telefonica.net/web/pavon-negrelos/JOP_AV/MX_Inter.jpg

It will be nice to see the big airbus fleet MX will have once F100s have changed to A318s...

10 318s
16 319s
25 320s

51 buses...
 
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 9:26 am

One of the few strenghts of Mexicana and Aeromexico is commonality of their airplanes (for pilots, maintenance, spare parts, etcetera) This strenght would be greatly weakened if MX for instance, instaead of having an Airbus-only family (which is the ultimate goal, with probably A330 and/or A340's), also has to take care of keeping the Boeings (D9, B757 and B767), and the Fokkers... AM already deals with Boeings (73, 75 and 76) and MD's 82-83-88, which is fine, but why add ERJ's, Saabs and possibly ATR's to the mixture?

My opinion is that it is better to try to keep the fleets as homogeneous as possible. A merger of MX and QA and AM and 5D woul only weak them altogether.

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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 9:36 am

Don't you think its better to have only one brand of planes, like Mexicana - Airbus and AM Boeing... For the pilots and the maintenance its better, also spareparts and training...?
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 10:02 am

That's exactly my point. Commonality.
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 10:11 am

Personal I prefer Boeing... But Airbus... Are great to. Big grin
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 4:18 pm

Commonality is saving a lot of money to MX  Big thumbs up
Actually, change a F100 to a A318 will cost less, because all the crews can fly any A320 family model, but in case of AM, the change for them is very expensive.
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 9:44 pm

One of the few strenghts of Mexicana and Aeromexico is commonality of their airplanes (for pilots, maintenance, spare parts, etcetera)

Commonality is saving a lot of money to MX

For pilots you are correct, but for maintenance and spare parts it is not true. In MX's case, the A319 and the A320 have two different power plants. The A319 has CFM56-5B6/P and the A320 has V2500-A1, which increases costs in spare parts (spares for each engine available in MX's maintenance hangar could be worth 1 or 2 million USD for each power plant). Additionally, training people on each engine and keeping them updated costs money as well. If you add to this that when MX started thinking of the A318, there were supposed to be powered by PW6000, but to their fortune, the Pratts were delayed and they will, at least, get them with CFM56-5 (thanks to GECAS also). For me this is not commonality, but a mix (licuado) of engines if we add the RR from the F100's and the PW of the B757 and 767... The reality is that MX got a very good deal for some of the A319's, so here we go again, what is more important, the fleet commonality or the price you get for the aircraft?? Many would say fleet commonality, but sometimes it is not!!!
 
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sat May 29, 2004 11:49 pm

Commonality for MX in terms of pilots works out well; in terms of maintenance it works out just fine too. This is because MX does not only does maintenance for themselves, but also serves several other airlines, so the training and spare parts acquiring works out in benefit of MX with productivity from beyond. Lets say is an extra business.

By the way, I wouldn't go for an all Airbus fleet. Instead of that I would set Airbus for the short haul and Boeing for the medium and long haul. Just check it out, that's the way it is working right now and it seems it will stay that way.
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sun May 30, 2004 12:27 pm

MX and QA will not merge in the near future.

For example if QA operates the LAX-SJD route their hourly operating costs are $2000.00usd, much lower than MX (don't know hourly cost).

QA employees are paid differently than MX, I think the pilots do belong to ASPA, but not sure if flt attendants belong to ASSA. Anyway don't expect them to merge, same goes for AeroLitoral and AM.
 
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sun May 30, 2004 3:14 pm

For pilots you are correct, but for maintenance and spare parts it is not true.

Rojo I think for spare parts they've also saved some money. I think its expensive to have a small fleet of 2 319s with CFM and another 2 320s with 2500, but when you have 25 A320s and 16 A319s I think its not that bad!

The reality is that MX got a very good deal for some of the A319's, so here we go again, what is more important, the fleet commonality or the price you get for the aircraft??

I think that the price it's more important!

This is because MX does not only does maintenance for themselves, but also serves several other airlines, so the training and spare parts acquiring works out in benefit of MX with productivity from beyond. Lets say is an extra business.

Wish this could be true! But its not... Servicios a Terceros its run in a weird way! MX give full support to AWAS and GECAS but some airlines flying into MEx have request to MX to give mx during the hours aircraft are stand, MX so far has not accepted all those contracts! They have rejected giving mx service to Lab 767. Panavia, Express Net, AeroUnion, Suramericanas, Taca just to name a few! (so anyone reading this if you have the money and you are willing to invest, contact me, lets built a hangar in MEx to give full mx support to the carriers)

QA employees are paid differently than MX, I think the pilots do belong to ASPA, but not sure if flt attendants belong to ASSA. Anyway don't expect them to merge, same goes for AeroLitoral and AM.

I still believe a merger sooner or later will happen between QA and MX. What was QA 10 years ago? What is QA today? Everyday getting closer and closer to what it is MX. Getting those F100s will be renewing the fleet compared to the old Dc9-15s they had.. the F27s... and now if they change their name to Mexicana Inter this hopefully will be the first step. Perhaps, years ago this did not work but today its a different story and a different administration. You never know!

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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sun May 30, 2004 3:23 pm

The A318 must be with cfm engines, about 3 weeks ago P&W awarded MX because they kept a PW2040 engine in a 757 wing for more than 20000hrs.
MX is certified by FAA, DGAC an others to give maintenance to other airlines, even US planes (planes with USA reg).
You forgot, MX also gives maintenance to JT8D, CF6 and other engines.
QA employees are paid different.
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Sun May 30, 2004 7:11 pm

Way to go, Mexicana  Big thumbs up
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RE: Mexicana F100's-A318

Mon May 31, 2004 12:06 am

Only one 763ER with Pratt engines leased from SK. More widebodies are supposed to be coming before year end Solnabo but it is pretty uncertain whether it will be a second 767ER or a couple of A332's. The A340 is also under consideration theoretically.

About QA and MX, I think that the way the two carriers are currently operated is fine. If the payment scheme and the costs are vastly lower in QA, it does not make any sense to merge the two companies. After all, QA is a subsidiary of MX so MX has control anyway. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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