wilco
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A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 3:24 am

Found this pic of the planned evacuation slides for the A380 (1st pic of a miniature created for the evac-slide manufacturer, see: http://www.pacmin.com/news/news_060603a.html for info, second pic from slide manufacturer)

That will be one hell of a slide from the second deck... anyone know if the second deck 747 slides have ever been succesfully used?

-WILCO

(this thing looks like a waterslide park with a aviation theme)






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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 3:33 am

I would imagine the overwing exits wouldn't be utilized unless absolutely necessary, seeing as they go under the top two slides. Seems like that'd be a real mess in the event that the aircraft was sitting on the ground with the engines and gears having been sheared off by impact.

Also, I wonder what the procedure is for a water evacuation. Will they be leaving the aircraft via the first floor only? I shudder at the thought of riding a rickety slide all the way down to the icy North Atlantic.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 3:40 am

yeah, that main deck overwing exit is insane.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 3:47 am

You're all right, that would be an insane over wing evacuation. I think they could make a good amusement park ride off of the A380's evacuation slides!!!
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:08 am

I'm concern (as well as maybe other members of a.net) about security proceedings of the A380. This is not a critic about the a/c, but I think that Airbus Industries must be paying a closer attention to this point (don't have any doubt about the professionalism of Airbus people).

The problem is that in an eventual emergency, are the security devices of this a/c "enough"? Hope nobody will be involved in such a terrible situation, but there is always a possibility.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:12 am

Hmmm...

I'm wondering just HOW that main deck overwing exit gets deployed.

Excerpt from the A380 exit row passenger safety card:

"By sitting in this exit row on the A380 aircraft, you must be advised of the following points in the unlikely event of an emergency:

1) You will be required to rapidly construct the emergency scaffold device and attach it to the inflatable emergency exit slide. A hammer and a sufficient supply of nails is located immediately under your seat. Lumber for the emergency scaffold device is located in the baggage bin immediately above your seat row. Schematics for the emergency scaffold device are posted on pages 133-134 of our in-flight magazine, or are available upon request from a member of the cabin crew.

2) Important! All nails must be used in the construction of the emergency scaffold device! Failure to use all nails may result in an unsafe condition!

3) When attaching the completed emergency scaffold device to the inflatable exit slide DO NOT use any remaing nails to attach the inflatable exit slide to the emergency scaffold device. If you have read and followed the instructions in Step 2) above, you should not have any remaining nails.

4) If time permits, the emergency scaffold device may be primed and painted. Primer, paint, and brushes are located in the forward lower deck galley.

5) In the event of missing lumber, nails, or paint, please see a member of the cabin crew for assistance."

I think I'll just sit up front when I fly on one...  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:14 am

I can count 18 evacuation doors, which is 1 for 30 people.

It doesn't sound unsafe to me.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:20 am


And im scared of some water slides- that plane had better be a full-on inferno before i jump down from the top deck!
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:23 am

You know that upper deck is going to be 30-40 feet off the ground. You think that the average person is going to all that thrilled about jumping onto an evacuation slide from up there. Thnk about it... You're sliding off a 4 story building.

Of course if the thing is on fire it's an ovious choice! Big grin
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:23 am

And im scared of some water slides- that plane had better be a full-on inferno before i jump down from the top deck!

If Airbus have half a brain they'll write "Push me" on the back of the A380 life jackets.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:25 am

I would to see how it would feel jumping out of one of them from the top. Of course, not while in a emergency though.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:25 am

I'm wondering just HOW that main deck overwing exit gets deployed.

The A380 overwing exit design is tried and true on other aircraft. It automatically inflates that way...pretty neat.

I'm not saying it's unsafe, just saying I hope someone doesn't panic and try to use that overwing exit in less-than-ideal conditions. I'd hate to slide straight into the side of another evacuation slide...
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:27 am

Imagine if the forward landing gear is broken off or the nose of the plane has somehow gone into a ditch or lower area and the tail is high up in the air.. those rear exit slides will be so steep. I guess the same is true for 747 upper deck passengers too if the reverse were to happen and it's not like they could run to the back of the plane to exit out of a door closer to the ground.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:29 am

someone actually did a study on the PSYCHOLOGY of evacuating the upperdeck of the 380....
http://www.gp.tu-berlin.de/users/j/helmut_jungermann/artikel/atlantic%20city.pdf
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:31 am

I volunteer for the emergency evacuation drill in this baby. And I wanna be on the top floor  Big grin Looks like fun sliding on those!
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:32 am

If, for whatever reason, I ever find myself in a situation where I have to use an A380's evacuation slides I can assure you that a 30 to 40 foot drop will be the absolute LEAST of my worries.

If anybody in front of me hesitates, stops, or even slows down it'll be just like that first jump at airborne school: I'm goin' through 'em...
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:46 am

Here's a shot of the 747-400's upper deck slide in use:

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 4:55 am

How the hell do they plan on releasing the slide from the a/c in a water emergency. Now I know and most of us here know that any a/c small or large will have a heck of a time in a water landing but they do have to show that if it is ever possible that it will work...

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 6:37 am

What about the friction burns and physical injuries from the slides.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 6:46 am

i'll take friction burn over jetfuelfire burn anyday.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 6:50 am

One of the primary reasons that the 380 is not being approved for more than 550 passengers is the inability to evacuate the aircraft in 90 seconds. This has nothing to do with the slides or number of exits. Apparently, there is a very prevalent 'hesitancy factor' in jumping on the slide from the top deck.

Airbus wisely chose to certify with a lower number initially, than having the embarrassment of failing the drill with a higher pax load.

I would think at some point, they will have push the existing barrier--particularly for Japanese domestic use (if that ever occurs).
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:06 am

i'll take friction burn over jetfuelfire burn anyday.

-WILCO

Yes, but I guess the point is this: Are friction burns being built into the equation as an acceptable means of controlling terminal velocity.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:06 am

I guarantee if the plane is on fire and your in the upper deck, you will decend the slide. Height or not. I'd rather get a broken arm or leg or risk being trampeled from the many pax's trying to get to the main deck than to die from smoke inhalation or get burns that are much painful than a broken arm or leg.

Just close your eyes on the way down. 10 sec or less you will be on the ground.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:44 am

I put this in a previous thread on the 380 slides. Add speed bumps. I am serious about this. As I look at the picture at the top I think this is just another form of suicide. If I ever fly the 380, and I don't think I will, I will not fly the upper deck.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:47 am

The posted research by Helmut Jungermann is quite interesting. One of things I believed he mentioned is that since the slides are trapezoidal, clustering at the bottom of the slides can be a problem. They are shaped this way in order to accomodate slides for both decks, but unfortunately this causes issues that go against the study of human factors. The slides are also extremely advanced with a different material being used at the bottom of the slide to slow the passengers down (so they don't go flying into the ground). I also believe Airbus is experimenting with pitch technology so that depending on how the aircraft is positioned, the slides can inflate properly and safely. This also helps accomodate for windy conditions. Sorry I don't have more details on the technology as I'm remembering most of this research off the top of my head.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:54 am

I once went down a 757 slide after it was deployed accidentally (not by me) and it was great fun. The way it is designed, at least on the 757, there are two inflatable tubes that run along the sides and bottom of the slide and then have inflatable sections under the slide that connect the two side tubes. The actual slide is suspended between the side tubes like a hammock which sags under you weight as you reach the bottom slowing you down. I don't know if the slides on the A380 work the same way but it seems that this design reduces the chance of passengers flying off the end of the slide.

However, for my view on the subject, refer to this link:

http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=692

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:56 am

save you all some trouble.... the last reply link goes to:
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:56 am

That cartoon says it all!

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 7:59 am

I put this in a previous thread on the 380 slides. Add speed bumps. I am serious about this. As I look at the picture at the top I think this is just another form of suicide. If I ever fly the 380, and I don't think I will, I will not fly the upper deck.

There ARE speed bumps.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 8:01 am

Here's a link to a FAA powerpoint presentation about the A380 slides... there are a few cool sketches that compare the A380 slides in comparison to the 747 2nd deck slide....

http://www.faa.gov/ats/asc/nlaweb/Downloads/PPT/DCN%20ARFF%20for%20NLAFG%2005-13-03.ppt
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 8:11 am

What a long way to slide! Might burn a hole through your breeches or panty hose before you get to the bottom. Not to mention the possiblity of first and second degree abrasion burns.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 8:11 am

Thanks for posting the strip Wilco. I bow to your superior technical knowledge.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 8:17 am

DAIRBUS.... and I bow to your searching skills... finding a comic strip that is directly related to the post "A380 Evacuation Slides" is truly a gift.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 8:35 am

Well, if the damn plane is on fire, the top deck slides is the least of my worries. Ive seen video of a guy jump 4 stories from a burning building with No slide, just onto a really low roof. he survived with minor injuries, but this time there would be a slide, and hey ill go once.

Altho, god forbid you wear shorts! Big grin those metal slides at playgrounds that have sat in the sun all day are enough hell already!
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 8:40 am

Wilco

I have been reading this strip on a regular basis for a couple years. The author is an ERAU grad who started the strip in the school paper about 20 years ago and is now a charter pilot in the DC area. I remember this one in particular because of how hard I laughed the first time I saw it. His strips usually deal with current events in aviation and space and some are really hilarious. He still draws new strips every couple of days and you can see them on his website.

http://www.klydemorris.com

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 10:06 am

If an A380, a true Lord of the Skies, ever gets in a situation in which slides have to be deployed... I couldn't care less about fear of heights, burns, scratches, or damage to my pantyhose (funny someone should think of that). I'd only care to exit the aircraft and move away from it as fast as I could...

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 10:47 am

ENGINES:

Is there a danger that the slides are pretty close to the engines (and the engines are very big)?

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 10:55 am

That Slide from the upper deck seems to be pretty steep?? You might as well just jump out of the aircraft?? hahaha

I remember QF had an incident last year where the slide failed and pax dropped down!!!!
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 1:16 pm

Goodrich are manufacturing the evacuation slides for the A380. Here's a picture of a prototype slide for the upper deck being tested.




To see a big version of the photo check out:
http://www.goodrich.com/transformation2/imageLibrary/imageLibraryPage5.shtml

 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 1:18 pm

Having participated in one of the many evacuation trials which are being held using A 380 cabin simulators, I can tell you jumping from the top deck chute IS scary! And the "hesitancy" factor which Greg was mentioning is very much there.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 9:38 pm

"Also, I wonder what the procedure is for a water evacuation. Will they be leaving the aircraft via the first floor only? I shudder at the thought of riding a rickety slide all the way down to the icy North Atlantic."

If the a/c has to ditch in the Atlantic (or any other stretch of water) then chances are you won't need a slide, just make you way out of one of the holes in the fuselage, avoiding jagged metal and broken a/c on your way.

An a/c has never been sucessfully ditched in the sea yet, well not in the way the safety card shows anyway.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 9:59 pm

An a/c has never been sucessfully ditched in the sea yet, well not in the way the safety card shows anyway.


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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 10:46 pm

I can't see a problem ,

Put into perspective , after all the millions of hours , hundreds of 747s have flown, how many people have had to evacuate from an U/D exit?

These slides will be long, but it any cabin crew drill , you are encouraged to move people along.......

It can't be worse than a DC-10 slide which tho shorter , is REALLY steep.

The O/W exits probably wouldnt be used in a ditching, there would be capacity on those remaining.

Apart from that many aircraft already have O/W slides similar already....
US versions of 757 / 767 and A320/19/18 .

Some people are talking if theres going to be an evacuation every week - and also how many modern airliners have 'ditched' in the last 25 years ????
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sat May 29, 2004 11:50 pm

I'm also concern about the possible event of evacuation of older people, as well as handicapped ones and children. I know is basically the same situation with another big a/c, but bigger the plane, bigger the problems.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sun May 30, 2004 12:09 am

Just to correct one misconception:

"An a/c has never been sucessfully ditched in the sea yet, well not in the way the safety card shows anyway."

On May 2, 1970, an Overseas National Airways (operated OBO Antillian Airlines) DC-9-33 ditched en-route from New York to St. Maarten.

See below:
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_details.cgi?date=05021970®=N935F&airline=Antillian+Airlines

Just to clear that up.


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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sun May 30, 2004 4:14 pm

Just imagine having to learn the A380 safety equipment diagram by heart!

I thought the A330 was hard!




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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sun May 30, 2004 4:25 pm

Another question is how are they going to stuff that upper deck safety slide into the slide deployment box that can fit the lower part of the door?? Thats alot to stuff, IMO....I wouldnt want to be the one stuffing that thing back in the slide deployment box. No way!!
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sun May 30, 2004 4:33 pm

AirframeAS - I was under the impression that the upper deck slides will be stored in compartments under the door, visible in these photos:


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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sun May 30, 2004 4:36 pm

The slides on all a/c are stored in the "bustle of the door", which is the lare box that sticks out from the door inside the a/c.

When the door is armed the girt bar moves away from the bustle into the sill of the door.
This then means the slide would be deployed if the door was opened.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Slides

Sun May 30, 2004 4:38 pm

Im not questioning where they will be stored. I am questioning about the SIZE of the slides. How on earth are they going to fit the slides on the upper deck in the slide deployment box? Thats alot of folding to do.
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