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Airline Flight Numbers?

Sun May 30, 2004 2:12 am

I have always wondered about this, but can never find a definite answer....

How do airlines generate flight numbers, or how do they decide which routes get which numbers?
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:16 am

You know, I think some people join this forum just to post previous topics....

Thank you for the help!
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Sun May 30, 2004 2:49 pm

My best flight # ever is #118. That flight # never changed for like 10 years!!!!! It was a TWA STL-CMH afternoon flight.

I want to note that flight #s DO get retired. Like, AA191.... UA232.....
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Sun May 30, 2004 3:54 pm

AS261 will never be used again from what Ive heard in respect to the victims of that flight that perished on Jan 31, 2000.

[Edited 2004-05-30 08:54:40]
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Aviationman
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Mon May 31, 2004 3:40 am

Some charter airlines will come up with flight numbers based on "Day of the week" and "equipment used", etc...

I.E. Flight 174 could mean "Mondays" departure (1), B-747 (7)......

Hope it helps!
 
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Mon May 31, 2004 4:09 am

not a bad question, i assumed it was just a number in sequence but i never really knew. Remember this forum is about asking questions and getting answers, it's not for the aviation "elite" to pick on people who don't know as much as they do. don't be so quick to jump on people who don't appear to be as "smart" as you *know* you are....
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:10 am

Retiring numbers is one thing, but other companies still use these numbers. For example, when we talk about flight 800, we always remember TWA 800 that crashed out of JFK. However, United still uses flight 800 operating to JFK, kind of ironic. I flew on that flight last month, and every time I've heard '800 heavy' on channel 9, I always remembered TWA flight.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:07 am

Something that was barely mentioned in the other thread was codeshares. Different airlines seem to use different schemes for identifying codeshares. For example, VS 19 (LHR-SFO) is CO 8239 (no apparent correlation, but from another flight it appears to be VS+8220), but CO 19 (LGW-EWR) is VS 3119 (easy, ie 31 prefix).

SQ 317 (LHR-SIN) = VS 7317
BA 15 (LHR-SIN) = QF 320
QF 10 (LHR-SIN) = BA 7310

Probably some correlation, such as partner airline and so forth.

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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:54 am

Does anyone know how CO does their flight numbers? They seem to be all over the place.
 
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:26 am

Bottomline: there is nothing like an international regulation governing flights' nomeclature... It is a style or system pertinent to each airline...

I just read that Mexicana, one of the oldest airlines in the world, will re-start its flights between Mexico City and Newark as MX 001 and MX 002 (return).

A retired MX Captain friend of my family tells me many in the industry consider MX 900 (Mexico City - Los Angeles) to be the flagship service of this old airline. (MX is 83 years old; she started flying in July 1921 with the first scheduled service in Latin America, between Mexico City and Tampico - with a scheduled flight that still exists to this day as MX 740, due its departure schedule was 07:40 AM).

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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:24 am

There ARE no rules beyond designating RANGES of numbers for certain types of flights (e.g. 1-100 = international, 4000-5999 is regionals, etc.) and special numbers (e.g. #1 for a banner flight, #1776 for a PHL flight, etc.). Some airlines do even numbers for inbound and odd for outbound or even=west, odd=east. After that, it's just "grab an available number in the range". Don't burn so many calories trying to figure it out... it just kinda is.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:28 am

Sorry, I meant between Mexico City and JFK, not EWR!!
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:45 am

Hey guys,

There is an odd pattern in AirTran's flight numbers. Most of the numbers between original Valujet cities remained the same. New cities got a new "group" of numbers. For example: (Not in order of departure time)
TPA-ATL: 118 / 120 / 122 / 124 / 126 / 128 / 130 / 132 / 138
ATL-TPA: 121 / 125 / 127 / 131 / 137 / 139 /

ALL 32 of BWI flight numbers except for CRJ flights and the flight to FPO begin with a 4: 443 / 450 / 483 / 413 / 451 / 444 / 495 / 461 / 484 / 493 etc.

All flights into IAD are double digits: 58 / 62 / 64 / 66 / 68

MKE flights all begin with 6: 601 / 603 / 608 / 625 / 671

DCA flights are all 18s: 181 / 183 / 185 / 187 / 189

BUF has 55s: 551 / 555 / 553 / 559 etc.

I don't know by what rhyme or reason flight numbers are chosen, other than to stay away from different carriers with the same numbers at the same airport.


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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:09 am

United's 93 is now I think 91. I'm not sure about the other three and what they are today.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:24 am

I believe United Airlines uses 800-series flight numbers for their trans-Pacific flights and 900-series for those across the Atlantic.

Virgin Atlantic also has a scheme. Flight numbers to 199 are for flights to/from North America. 600-series flights are to Africa. China (inc. Hong Kong) have 200-series flight numbers. India flights are 300 and Japan has 900.

I've noticed other airlines also use blocks of flight numbers to certain regions i.e. North America, Europe, etc.

I'm not sure of the reasoning behind it, but there is some structure out there.
 
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:20 am

Although I don't know exactly how airlines come up with flight numbers, I do know there are some fun ones that Northwest has.

For instance, I know there is a Indianapolis flight 500 for the Indy 500. Columus has flt 1492 (Christopher Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue). Most passengers don't understand that, but when your bored, it can be amusing. I don't know if these are still around but i'm sure they are.

Another addition to this topic is Northwest likes switchin the flight numbers with different cities. I remember when I started MSP-YQR was always 3571. Now its something different, I think either DSM or LSE.
 
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:38 am

MSPXJGuy, 3571 is the afternoon ORF-MSP flight  Smile I'll be flying 3688 today, heading to DLH
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:22 am

i think delta is random (first 3 flights are 958, 1531, and 395!) ...continental (at least from FLL-IAH and EWR) are interesting...to IAH they all end in 49...I think from IAH they end in 48
TO EWR they end in 00 (except for CO24)...they end in 01 going back from EWR.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:30 am

HP uses 592 (DFW-LAS-PHX-MCI), which if I recall correctly was the flight number of the valujet crash in the everglades?

Also HP's go in sequence most of the time:

ORD: 1,3,5,7
BWI(or is it DCA/IAD now?) 81,83,85 it used to be BWI but the flights changed recently.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:32 pm

While not true in every case, CO assigns each route a two digit code: IAHMSY is '23' (623, 423, 1023, etc..) MSYIAH is '22', IAHLGA/LGAIAH are '32/33', CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO is '86/87', TPA is '06/07', etc... There are exceptions all over the place, but if one looks at the full day's schedule for most routes, the pattern is very obvious.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:49 pm

Hmmmm...... I know I didn't type "'CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO " in my previous post...
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:43 pm

In TOL, NW Airlink has an afternoon flight 2960 that hasn't changed in years. Every other flight number has changed so many times. When I worked there it had to change at least 10-15 times and I was only there for 8 months.

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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:54 am

United's 93 is now I think 91. I'm not sure about the other three and what they are today

According to the schedule, United 175 is now 165.

Also, Scandinavian flight 911 has been renamed as well.
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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:11 am

Here at Avianca Colombia there is a simple rule for flight numbers, all northbound flights are even numbered and southbound flights are odd nunmbered.
Here are some examples:

AV006 BOG-MIA
AV007 MIA-BOG
AV085 BOG-SAO-RIO
AV086 RIO-SAO-BOG
AV020 BOG-JFK
AV021 JFK-BOG
AV010 BOG-MAD
AV011 MAD-BOG
AV072 BOG-MEX
AV073 MEX-BOG

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RE: Airline Flight Numbers?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:17 am

Back in the day, as a general rule, many US airlines used even numbers to denote eastbound and (I believe) northbound flights, odd numbers were used for westbound and southbound flights.

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