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Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 3:03 am

What's happening with Swiss International Air Lines order for the Embraer 170 and Embraer 195. They have already delayed the order on a number of occasions.

The Swiss carrier 'inherited' the order from Crossair, but the order does not fit into the company's plans and the airline has on a number of occasions tried to cancel part if not all the order unsuccessfully.

Last I heard was last year when they were to delay deliveries of 15 Embraer 170s and 15 Embraer 195s by another year. As a result, the first Embraer 170 was planned for June 2004 (a few days away). Is it still scheduled for delivery? What about the Embraer 195s, when are they coming?
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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 5:57 am

hi there,
today someone told me the first embraer, not sure which one will join to fleet by autumn 04, that would be amazing, but somehow i don't believe it...

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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 6:10 am

So I guess the June 2004 deadline was moved AGAIN.

Doesn't an airline have to pay some sort of penalty for continously delaying and reducing aircraft they have on order?
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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 6:20 pm

I was under the understanding that US Airways had picked up most of the order from Swiss, that's how they got the aircraft so fast...

Yes no?

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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 6:55 pm

AFAIK, three Embraer 170 will join the LX fleet in autumn this year.

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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 7:01 pm

What about the Embraer 195s, when are they coming?

According to the German magazine Aero International, Swiss wants to change their ERJ195 orders to ERJ190 orders!

This would mean that there will be no (!) order for the ERJ195 yet!

Currently, Swiss has 15 orders and 10 options, and GECAS has 0 (zero) orders and 20 options.


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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 7:55 pm

Not a bad solution for Embraer in my opinion. When Crossair has bought the Embraers they have got a special price because they were launch customer etc. A price that is much lower than the price Embraer asks for now.

So in the end Embraer can sell the Embraers for a higher price to other customers...

This is also why they have not complained so much when SWISS wanted to cancel the order...

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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 8:02 pm

RJ100, that's common practice for a launch carrier...!
 
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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sun May 30, 2004 8:16 pm

Yes of course. My statement was not made to criticise Crossair or SWISS. I just mentioned it because usually a company (Embraer in this case) would not accept cancellation of such an important deal. But obviously they accept-at least a partial cancellation- without getting upset.

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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:43 am

Hey horus, kifak habib.
Yes, they have to pay a fine due to their delay.
THere was a article about that on Valor Economico here, our financial paper.
It´ll cost Swiss almost half bilion dolar due to it´s postpone, thay have also postponed some ERJ 145 as EMB 170/195.
THey fine will be discussed, but they will pay something.
According to Embraer, they´re not worried about, and this fact will not back their forecast of 160 deliveris in 2004 and 170 in 2005.That, only time´ll say.

Hope that helps.
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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:57 am

And will the Swiss 170s still have the ventral air brake for LCY ops?
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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:03 am

It will be fine with LX new EMB-190 or 170 are come in this year and will be make began new service.
 
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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:22 am

Ya hala Erikwilliam! Thanks for the help

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RE: Swiss And The Embraer Order

Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:29 am

They definitely will not be coming this year.

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