Horus
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LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 3:09 am

I was speaking to an employee in Heathrow and he was telling me that at 15:00 everyday landing/take off sequences change over between the two main runways. But that hardly ever happens. I mean over the last couple of days for example the landing sequecnce has been the same (landing on 9L and take off from 9R) with the exception of one or two aircraft. Off course it has a lot to do with wind direction but also to reduce noise levels for people living near the airport. So why aren't they 'strict' applying this rule?
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 3:36 am


because when there is an easterly wind blowing towards heathrow, the planes land over from the west (over slough, Windsor) .This is where there is much countryside and less population then landing over London when there is a westerly wind......
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 3:36 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think it applys to the 09's, only the 27's.

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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 3:50 am

Yes, it only applies to the 27s. 09L is not used for take-offs, though there is currently a consultation going on to allow this to happen in the future.
 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 4:13 am

09L is not used for take-offs

It sometimes happens albeit very rarely and when it does happen its usually in the late evening (22:00 onwards).
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 4:19 am

Didn't Concorde use 09L for takeoffs? I am sure it did.

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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 4:25 am

09L is not used for take-offs, though there is currently a consultation going on to allow this to happen in the future.

Is this step 1 towards mixed mode operation, with simulaneous intermixed take-off and landing on both runways?

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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 5:27 am

Didn't Concorde use 09L for takeoffs? I am sure it did.

That's true Adam
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 5:33 am

Concorde was always the exception whichever runway was officially in use...such was the respect for her at LHR she left as immediately as possible whatever the circumstances
 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 5:33 am

Isn't there a discussion going on to stop the 15:00 rule once T5 is completed?

This means that aircraft would land and take off both on 27L and 27R.

Of course, when winds are coming from the East, 09L would be used for landings and 09R for arrivals.

One small thing: in the early morning, the traffic is always divided between 27L and 27R for arrivals. As far as I remember, the same applies for 09L/09R in the early morning.

It will be a very long taxi for BA when they'll have to go from T5 to 27L for take off!

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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 5:36 pm

Of course, when winds are coming from the East, 09L would be used for landings and 09R for arrivals.

that sounds sad - no more take-offs and departures then, eh?  Smile
 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 5:45 pm

Horus - I was talking about what typically happens and didn't think I would have to describe every single exception. No need to take what is said quite so literally!

PW100 - Yes, the intention is that this will increase runway capacity at LHR and create some more slots.

Steve7E7 - I've seen Concorde many times taking her place in the queue of traffic. NATS has said that there were generally no special arrangements in place for Concorde - she more often than not had to wait her turn like everyone else. Exceptions, I suppose, would be when the PM or the Royals were on board.
 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 5:58 pm

Frederic:
In the very early morning (5-7 a.m. weekdays and 6-7 a.m. on weekends) planes use the runway that is the nearer one to their terminal. For example when I was down at the visitors center one morning to shoot 27R arrivals, I did not get a single BA 747 or 777 nor the Kenya Airways flight which goes to T4 as well but I got all the CX, SAA, SQ, UA, AA stuff...As soon as take offs begin, one runway is chosen to be used until 3 o'clock.

EDIT: This also applies to 09L/R with the exception that there is no change at 3 o'clock  Big grin

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[Edited 2004-05-30 10:59:56]
 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 6:40 pm

The reason for never a change of runways at 1500 when the 09 runways are in use is because of the Cranford Agreement. The area of Cranford (sh*tehole) has agreed with LHR that aircraft are not allowed to take off over their precious area. This is very strange to me. Why Cranford and not Hatton? There is nothing special about cranford and if they are allowed to land over there, why not take off? I learnt about this when i used to work in the Visitor Centre years back, this is where the LHR noise complaints unit is based. So there you go!
 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 7:23 pm

The reason that the Concorde flights used 09L / 27R only for a few months was due to the runway surface on 09R / 27L - they were doing ongoing repairs to this runway, and it was felt that there was an increased risk of tyre damage due to the resurfacing that was being done. Therefore all Concorde flights used the other runway, regardless of which one was in use for takeoffs / landings. This wasn't always the case though, only when this work was being done.

 
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RE: LHR's 15:00 Rule

Sun May 30, 2004 10:40 pm

Trident2e, I was just trying to make a point, calm down! Big grin
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